Totally agreed Matt, it should be a Reform offer. It’s a no brainer. Helps to stop the fragmentation of our society and will save a huge fortune in taxpayers cash. We can’t afford the Boris wave! I would also like Reform to commit to reviewing spurious ECHR appeal decisions over the past decade. We’re harbouring dangerous people who shouldn’t be here.
I agree with all this . The logistics of this though are massive. Reform have already committed to leaving the ECHR and removing in excess of two million illegal immigrants . Consider currently we are lucky to deport dozens. The Boris wave and many others should have leave to remain revoked but there is only so much that can be achieved in the life of a first Parliament . Returns agreements will have to be negotiated . I don’t want Reform to over promise and under deliver , so they will have to be very clear on their timelines. They have to get the leave the ECHR legislation through before they can do any of this
Good points re strategy. I forget to add it’s also good political strategy to constantly point a finger at the Tories for the mess we’re in. Boris Wave has cut through.
Changing the qualifying period for gaining indefinite leave to remain is a very simple change. Just increase the marker from 5 to 10 or 20. It's only the review into how much they've contributed that is time consuming. It would help out an immediate break on millions of extra passports being given out.
As benefits policy is entirely within government control (or will be once we leave ECHR) can’t we just restrict all benefits and access to services to those who have lived here for 16 years or more? I think they’d soon go home.
This goes deeper - there is a large element of the U.K. who want immigration? In my church which I will now leave - I was called ‘far right’ for supporting Matt Goodwin. I was called an Institutional racist (they obviously don’t know what that means). The church is getting things so wrong and that is filtering down to the local churches. I gave them many passages of what the Bible says but people are so blinkered, so uneducated. So I have no choice but to leave.
Yes but sadly Christianity is all about doing good and helping thy fellow humans without even a single glance to the potential consequences. A bit like when the last pope talked about building bridges not walls in relation to Trump trying secure the Southern border. Christianity should not come into politics, common sense should.
Horrified to hear this Christie. That must be awful for you. By Church officials or members of the congregation? I shouldn’t be surprised though, the CofE lost the plot years ago.
I was and still am shocked - but comments were by normal people who think they are correct. I was hoping after the death of Charlie Kirk the church would have a prayer time - he wasn’t even mentioned.
I suspect the theology training or vicar training organisations are as bad as our universities. They have what I call a Mrs Jellyby complex. And they have not faced the coal face of mass immigration either.
I think you are right on that one. Because I disagreed I am a bad Christian - as Christian’s don’t think like I do - yes some do! They called me a racist yet I am the one that goes to Gambia to a school and helps the lovely Gambian children - can’t make it up can you!
You are absolutely right. The theology training for C of E will not admit traditionalists, meaning those who are concerned with the spiritual side of things, and the K James version of the Bible. It's all social justice and hand over control to the blacks to assuage our guilt for slavery. No proper teaching in schools about the universal nature of slavery, not just the Greeks and Romans before us, but ever since the beginning of time. It's there in the Old T. when Hebrews enslaved Hebrews. Before he died, my late husband was writing a global history of slavery and had done all the research into what most of us do not know and was leaving the 'done to death' topics of the Atlantic Slave Trade and emancipation till later.
Is there anyone out there who could finish off his book? We need to get the message out especially to school children and the general reader, or the 'Common reader' as Dr Johnson put it .
I didn't know about not admitting the traditionalists, that makes sense then. I went out and bought a KJB and started reading. Our old trad hymns are magnificent, esp with organ and trad arrangements. But it comes from the top. Welby did so much damage. However the slide, like so much else started in the 70's i guess. So much confidence in our institutions and stable structures was lost. It's why so many are now turning the catholic faith, which whilst not infallible, does seem to stick to the basics.
Book sounds great, we need perspective. I think Nigel Biggar wrote a book and Rafe heydel Mankoo has talked about it, so has David Starkey. Beyond that, sorry can't help.
Yes I agree with all your comments. Did you know the C of E wanted these changes in the 1920s but in those days Parliament had the final say and always voted against the barmy ideas because they knew their voters would not approve. But eventually, can't recall when, but some time in the 60s I suppose, Parliament gave up its final say and left it to the Synod to decide. That was the end.
You are right about KJV of the Bible --full of wonderful poetry which is good at ambiguity and therefore mystery.
As for Nigel Biggar, I have met him and asked him, but his brilliant book on colonialism is not like a straight history.
I had forgotten Rafe HM. I may try him. David Starkey is probably too old now. But thanks for the suggestions. I cannot finish it for my husband, as I am not a historian as he was .
People have been so indoctrinated by the “be kind” mantra they’ve lost sight of the ramifications. In their desire to be seen as a “nice person” many have overlooked the implications of a hostile takeover of their religion and way of life. We could be facing our own “trail of tears” if action isn’t taken soon.
Thanks Matt, great to see you in some different publications, spreading the message further.
The threats to our culture, values, way of life, increased crime etc are all huge concerns alongside the financial costs and I agree with what you’re saying. Which is why is was so good to see so many marching peacefully on Saturday. Long May it continue. The message is getting through and the abuse no longer works.
Btw, you were great on Dewbs on Friday and it was interesting to hear Andy Burnham’s name mentioned. You may want to look at what Raja Miah says about him on his substack regarding the grooming gang cover up.
Matt. Putting this article to the side. (Which I agree with) but why have yourself and Reform in general not came out in support of the Unite the nation rally on Saturday? I know some people don’t want to be associated with Tommy Robinson and that’s fair enough but yours and others silence, you who are supposed to be on the normal publics side, says a lot!
I agree, there were so many there who weren't there for Tommy Robinson, they were there for the Country. Matt and Reform need to acknowledge that although they may not agree with T.R. that the "Forgotten Majority" were out in force and I would say that many of them were Reform followers. Unfortunately Matt is getting a bit of a slating on social media for his silence.
Keeping a distance to Tommy is extremely important for Reform at the moment. If they show any support or allegiance to him, Reform's support will bleed and the Uniparty will get plenty of ammunition. I agree with the way that Reform kept quiet on this.
Absolutely agree with this. It is scandalous that the duplicitous Boris Johnson imposed this on our country and now it is about to be made irreversible. It was a huge betrayal of what everyone knew Brexit was primarily about. I hope Reform can see the wisdom of tackling the Boriswave fairly and squarely before it’s too late.
Completely agree, but I am concerned at how many “ foreigners “ have already managed to get into positions of “ authority “ where they can then influence decisions.
This could and should be the basis for one of Reform’s key campaign policies as of now.
As Matt has stated, there is very little time to spare on dealing with the negative impact of Boris Johnson’s betrayal.
Who else in his government actively aided and abetted in ensuring that the policies were in place to enable such a disastrous influx to occur? Names please. Home Secretary, Immigration minister, Health minister maybe? All must of sat in on meetings where the implications of this were discussed/dismissed? Seeing any of them appearing on a Reform platform as a convert would be a further betrayal.
What completely confuses me is the history of the Boriswave. It just doesn't make sense.
There was the Brexit vote. Leave won, and a big issue for many people was that voting Leave would reduce immigration. Then, after much sound and fury, in comes Boris promising to "get Brexit done". Which he did, well, sort of. Then, following Brexit, we've ended up with far _higher_ immigration. And not of Polish plumbers or Romanian care workers or Greek scientists, but of people who'd have enormous trouble integrating (language, culture, work skills). It just doesn't make sense.
Was there any rationale publicly presented by government at the time? (Whether you believe it or not?) Or did it all happen completely under the radar? Have to admit that I didn't notice much at the time - until more recently, when it's become completely crazy.
Was the UK economy actually so strong back then that the argument "we need more workers" made some sense? I don't recall ever feeling that it was.
Good question. Could it be that Boris’ lazy short term thinking together with a desire to provide low wage fodder for big business and raise GDP (although ironically lowering GDP per capita) had something to do with it? If so, the policy was not thought through and made no economic sense in the long term. It also gave no thought at all to societal cohesion or the wishes of the existing population. Probably encouraged by supporters of multicultural, the more the merrier, claptrap!
Yes, that's probably the real reason. What I'm wondering is what (if anything) was the _overt_ reason for doing this, how (if at all) it was presented to the electorate. Figuring that out might be useful, in order to anticipate the frame (deliberately narrow, of course!) in which official counter-arguments will be made.
Seems as though I'm not the only one who can't remember any rationale which made sense!
Like you, I had no idea that the Boriswave existed until relatively recently. I first read about it on Matt’s Substack. I may be wrong, but I think as far as the general public was concerned, it was entirely covert. I have no awareness of it being announced publicly as policy. I would imagine there would have been quite a furore if it had been! ‘Hey guys, we’re going to bring a million people a year into the country from now on, most of whom will cost more to keep than they earn. You’re going to love it!’😳
If Habib really believes in what the Advanfe UK website says, he would close it down immediately. It can never win anything, but will only drain Reform votes. The last thing the British people need at the moment is a copycat party.
Ben Habib, who? I like what Ben has to say and he comes across so well. He isn’t an MP, has tried a couple of times for election but didn’t make the count. His new party don’t have any MP’s, he does have a few names backing him. It’s such a shame he, Rupert and Nigel couldn’t get on together, they have similar points of view and would have been a powerhouse. No doubt some will move to Advance UK but personally I don’t think it will be huge numbers. Stick with Reform who don’t have all the answers but are our last chance. Matt is right of course, stop the Boris wave, never voted through and once again a kick in the teeth for the rest of us. Unfairness personified.
I had a look on the Advance UK website under the heading of The College ("members are independent of the party executive, and elect the Leader. The College may remove the Leader through a vote of no confidence. College members may also participate in policy making, candidate selection and branch activities."). The 10 members seemed very impressive based upon their writeups. (I, personally, am unfamiliar with them all).
Therefore, I agree with you. I think that it is a shame that Ben, Rupert and Nigel can't come together and iron out their differences.
Advance are a very long way off being a political party and being able to field candidates in a significant number of seats. Most people won’t know who Advance or indeed Habib are . He has failed to get elected himself twice . I can’t see them being a significant vote splitter in the next election that remains the Conservatives.
Depends if you trust Farage. If you think he is a man of courage and integrity and will have a credible plan with the right talent behind him to succeed. You can still vote Reform if that seem the best option when the time comes.
I agree one hundred percent with you Matt, but it just raises more doubts I am having with Reform, despite being a member it appears they are sitting on the fence, scared to fully commit themselves to firmly and decisively ending mass migration, it's a niggling doubt which I pray is unfounded but to dispell my doubts and those of relatives and friends Nigel needs to come off the fence and commit himself one hundred percent to making migration his number one priority, I'm also disappointed that Reform have not made one comment regarding the marvellous rally of patriotic British people this weekend, many were hoping Reform would support the ordinary folk of this country who proudly flew their flags and showed their loyalty to their country but not a peep from Reform which is a real shame.
Totally agreed Matt, it should be a Reform offer. It’s a no brainer. Helps to stop the fragmentation of our society and will save a huge fortune in taxpayers cash. We can’t afford the Boris wave! I would also like Reform to commit to reviewing spurious ECHR appeal decisions over the past decade. We’re harbouring dangerous people who shouldn’t be here.
I agree with all this . The logistics of this though are massive. Reform have already committed to leaving the ECHR and removing in excess of two million illegal immigrants . Consider currently we are lucky to deport dozens. The Boris wave and many others should have leave to remain revoked but there is only so much that can be achieved in the life of a first Parliament . Returns agreements will have to be negotiated . I don’t want Reform to over promise and under deliver , so they will have to be very clear on their timelines. They have to get the leave the ECHR legislation through before they can do any of this
Good points re strategy. I forget to add it’s also good political strategy to constantly point a finger at the Tories for the mess we’re in. Boris Wave has cut through.
Changing the qualifying period for gaining indefinite leave to remain is a very simple change. Just increase the marker from 5 to 10 or 20. It's only the review into how much they've contributed that is time consuming. It would help out an immediate break on millions of extra passports being given out.
Agree Tracy . Increase the qualifying period to twenty years . That would give breathing space . Apply it retrospectively
When did Farage commit to 2 million, i thought it was 600k?
When did he commit to removing all the P rapists?
Zia said on GB News that they would remove all illegal migrants. I think that’s the approximate figure
Thanks for the reply, but why would anyone believe Yusuf? I want a clear manifesto commitment.
As benefits policy is entirely within government control (or will be once we leave ECHR) can’t we just restrict all benefits and access to services to those who have lived here for 16 years or more? I think they’d soon go home.
Absolutely agree. I have been saying this for years. No benefits will act as a rapid and effective deterrent.
This goes deeper - there is a large element of the U.K. who want immigration? In my church which I will now leave - I was called ‘far right’ for supporting Matt Goodwin. I was called an Institutional racist (they obviously don’t know what that means). The church is getting things so wrong and that is filtering down to the local churches. I gave them many passages of what the Bible says but people are so blinkered, so uneducated. So I have no choice but to leave.
Unfortunately Liberalism has hollowed out so much of Christianity.
Yes but sadly Christianity is all about doing good and helping thy fellow humans without even a single glance to the potential consequences. A bit like when the last pope talked about building bridges not walls in relation to Trump trying secure the Southern border. Christianity should not come into politics, common sense should.
Horrified to hear this Christie. That must be awful for you. By Church officials or members of the congregation? I shouldn’t be surprised though, the CofE lost the plot years ago.
I was and still am shocked - but comments were by normal people who think they are correct. I was hoping after the death of Charlie Kirk the church would have a prayer time - he wasn’t even mentioned.
I suspect the theology training or vicar training organisations are as bad as our universities. They have what I call a Mrs Jellyby complex. And they have not faced the coal face of mass immigration either.
I think you are right on that one. Because I disagreed I am a bad Christian - as Christian’s don’t think like I do - yes some do! They called me a racist yet I am the one that goes to Gambia to a school and helps the lovely Gambian children - can’t make it up can you!
You are absolutely right. The theology training for C of E will not admit traditionalists, meaning those who are concerned with the spiritual side of things, and the K James version of the Bible. It's all social justice and hand over control to the blacks to assuage our guilt for slavery. No proper teaching in schools about the universal nature of slavery, not just the Greeks and Romans before us, but ever since the beginning of time. It's there in the Old T. when Hebrews enslaved Hebrews. Before he died, my late husband was writing a global history of slavery and had done all the research into what most of us do not know and was leaving the 'done to death' topics of the Atlantic Slave Trade and emancipation till later.
Is there anyone out there who could finish off his book? We need to get the message out especially to school children and the general reader, or the 'Common reader' as Dr Johnson put it .
I didn't know about not admitting the traditionalists, that makes sense then. I went out and bought a KJB and started reading. Our old trad hymns are magnificent, esp with organ and trad arrangements. But it comes from the top. Welby did so much damage. However the slide, like so much else started in the 70's i guess. So much confidence in our institutions and stable structures was lost. It's why so many are now turning the catholic faith, which whilst not infallible, does seem to stick to the basics.
Book sounds great, we need perspective. I think Nigel Biggar wrote a book and Rafe heydel Mankoo has talked about it, so has David Starkey. Beyond that, sorry can't help.
Yes I agree with all your comments. Did you know the C of E wanted these changes in the 1920s but in those days Parliament had the final say and always voted against the barmy ideas because they knew their voters would not approve. But eventually, can't recall when, but some time in the 60s I suppose, Parliament gave up its final say and left it to the Synod to decide. That was the end.
You are right about KJV of the Bible --full of wonderful poetry which is good at ambiguity and therefore mystery.
As for Nigel Biggar, I have met him and asked him, but his brilliant book on colonialism is not like a straight history.
I had forgotten Rafe HM. I may try him. David Starkey is probably too old now. But thanks for the suggestions. I cannot finish it for my husband, as I am not a historian as he was .
Thank you for your comments.
People have been so indoctrinated by the “be kind” mantra they’ve lost sight of the ramifications. In their desire to be seen as a “nice person” many have overlooked the implications of a hostile takeover of their religion and way of life. We could be facing our own “trail of tears” if action isn’t taken soon.
Thanks Matt, great to see you in some different publications, spreading the message further.
The threats to our culture, values, way of life, increased crime etc are all huge concerns alongside the financial costs and I agree with what you’re saying. Which is why is was so good to see so many marching peacefully on Saturday. Long May it continue. The message is getting through and the abuse no longer works.
Btw, you were great on Dewbs on Friday and it was interesting to hear Andy Burnham’s name mentioned. You may want to look at what Raja Miah says about him on his substack regarding the grooming gang cover up.
Matt. Putting this article to the side. (Which I agree with) but why have yourself and Reform in general not came out in support of the Unite the nation rally on Saturday? I know some people don’t want to be associated with Tommy Robinson and that’s fair enough but yours and others silence, you who are supposed to be on the normal publics side, says a lot!
I agree, there were so many there who weren't there for Tommy Robinson, they were there for the Country. Matt and Reform need to acknowledge that although they may not agree with T.R. that the "Forgotten Majority" were out in force and I would say that many of them were Reform followers. Unfortunately Matt is getting a bit of a slating on social media for his silence.
Keeping a distance to Tommy is extremely important for Reform at the moment. If they show any support or allegiance to him, Reform's support will bleed and the Uniparty will get plenty of ammunition. I agree with the way that Reform kept quiet on this.
Absolutely agree with this. It is scandalous that the duplicitous Boris Johnson imposed this on our country and now it is about to be made irreversible. It was a huge betrayal of what everyone knew Brexit was primarily about. I hope Reform can see the wisdom of tackling the Boriswave fairly and squarely before it’s too late.
I totally support this. It is necessary
It's Remigration or balkanization.
Very big turnout in London yesterday.
The English people are not going gently into the night.
Completely agree, but I am concerned at how many “ foreigners “ have already managed to get into positions of “ authority “ where they can then influence decisions.
Yes I fully agree.
This could and should be the basis for one of Reform’s key campaign policies as of now.
As Matt has stated, there is very little time to spare on dealing with the negative impact of Boris Johnson’s betrayal.
Who else in his government actively aided and abetted in ensuring that the policies were in place to enable such a disastrous influx to occur? Names please. Home Secretary, Immigration minister, Health minister maybe? All must of sat in on meetings where the implications of this were discussed/dismissed? Seeing any of them appearing on a Reform platform as a convert would be a further betrayal.
What completely confuses me is the history of the Boriswave. It just doesn't make sense.
There was the Brexit vote. Leave won, and a big issue for many people was that voting Leave would reduce immigration. Then, after much sound and fury, in comes Boris promising to "get Brexit done". Which he did, well, sort of. Then, following Brexit, we've ended up with far _higher_ immigration. And not of Polish plumbers or Romanian care workers or Greek scientists, but of people who'd have enormous trouble integrating (language, culture, work skills). It just doesn't make sense.
Was there any rationale publicly presented by government at the time? (Whether you believe it or not?) Or did it all happen completely under the radar? Have to admit that I didn't notice much at the time - until more recently, when it's become completely crazy.
Was the UK economy actually so strong back then that the argument "we need more workers" made some sense? I don't recall ever feeling that it was.
Good question. Could it be that Boris’ lazy short term thinking together with a desire to provide low wage fodder for big business and raise GDP (although ironically lowering GDP per capita) had something to do with it? If so, the policy was not thought through and made no economic sense in the long term. It also gave no thought at all to societal cohesion or the wishes of the existing population. Probably encouraged by supporters of multicultural, the more the merrier, claptrap!
Yes, that's probably the real reason. What I'm wondering is what (if anything) was the _overt_ reason for doing this, how (if at all) it was presented to the electorate. Figuring that out might be useful, in order to anticipate the frame (deliberately narrow, of course!) in which official counter-arguments will be made.
Seems as though I'm not the only one who can't remember any rationale which made sense!
Like you, I had no idea that the Boriswave existed until relatively recently. I first read about it on Matt’s Substack. I may be wrong, but I think as far as the general public was concerned, it was entirely covert. I have no awareness of it being announced publicly as policy. I would imagine there would have been quite a furore if it had been! ‘Hey guys, we’re going to bring a million people a year into the country from now on, most of whom will cost more to keep than they earn. You’re going to love it!’😳
I discovered Advance UK yesterday. My first thought was could this split Reforms votes. Any thoughts?
If Habib really believes in what the Advanfe UK website says, he would close it down immediately. It can never win anything, but will only drain Reform votes. The last thing the British people need at the moment is a copycat party.
Ben Habib, who? I like what Ben has to say and he comes across so well. He isn’t an MP, has tried a couple of times for election but didn’t make the count. His new party don’t have any MP’s, he does have a few names backing him. It’s such a shame he, Rupert and Nigel couldn’t get on together, they have similar points of view and would have been a powerhouse. No doubt some will move to Advance UK but personally I don’t think it will be huge numbers. Stick with Reform who don’t have all the answers but are our last chance. Matt is right of course, stop the Boris wave, never voted through and once again a kick in the teeth for the rest of us. Unfairness personified.
I had a look on the Advance UK website under the heading of The College ("members are independent of the party executive, and elect the Leader. The College may remove the Leader through a vote of no confidence. College members may also participate in policy making, candidate selection and branch activities."). The 10 members seemed very impressive based upon their writeups. (I, personally, am unfamiliar with them all).
Therefore, I agree with you. I think that it is a shame that Ben, Rupert and Nigel can't come together and iron out their differences.
Advance are a very long way off being a political party and being able to field candidates in a significant number of seats. Most people won’t know who Advance or indeed Habib are . He has failed to get elected himself twice . I can’t see them being a significant vote splitter in the next election that remains the Conservatives.
Depends if you trust Farage. If you think he is a man of courage and integrity and will have a credible plan with the right talent behind him to succeed. You can still vote Reform if that seem the best option when the time comes.
Thank you Matt, another excellent piece.
I Agree totally with all you write.
Fervent prayer, that reform, will, take note and act on your call, right now.
Am going to e mail my MP immediately.
I am very interested in the narrative and organisation of Advance U.K. who have applied to become a registered political party.
Ben Habib came over well, when he spoke at the Unite the Kingdom rally on Saturday.
Advance U.K. will split the Right and enabl
I agree one hundred percent with you Matt, but it just raises more doubts I am having with Reform, despite being a member it appears they are sitting on the fence, scared to fully commit themselves to firmly and decisively ending mass migration, it's a niggling doubt which I pray is unfounded but to dispell my doubts and those of relatives and friends Nigel needs to come off the fence and commit himself one hundred percent to making migration his number one priority, I'm also disappointed that Reform have not made one comment regarding the marvellous rally of patriotic British people this weekend, many were hoping Reform would support the ordinary folk of this country who proudly flew their flags and showed their loyalty to their country but not a peep from Reform which is a real shame.
I absolutely agree.