Exactly so, as an 84 year old I can take a somewhat detached view. I see a desperate world for my grandchildren who seem blissfully unaware of the threat of Islamism itself. I think that two things should happen. The many Muslims who make a contribution must stand up to the Imams who spread hate and stop them: perhaps they are too intimidated. The other is to lose the ridiculous feelings of guilt (which I don't share) of Empire, slavery (which we abolished, nobody else did) and stand up for ourselves. If we don't we will lose our country. We also need to closely monitor what happens in mosques, we don't and that is one obvious problem with a free society which is being abused these radical preachers. We need to fight, it really is as simple as that.
I totally agree with every word. The problem is that we have a Labour government that is likely to be in power for the next 4 years and if this state of affairs goes on until then, we are lost. Labour will never do what needs to be done, they refuse to see the problem and they totally lack any courage. They would rather turn a blind eye and continue with their false virtue signalling and globalist agenda which will sink us all in the mire of Islamist extremism. What I can't understand is why the moderate Muslims don't speak out against the extremists in their midst.
I think that they are too intimidated to speak out; the Imams have huge power and influence over what is perhaps a less educated and more easily influenced congregation. Don't forget also that martyrdom entitles a Muslim man to go straight to paradise and into the arms of 72 virgins - which gives you some idea of the religion itself. I am not sure of what happens to a female martyr(!).
One of the biggest threats to all human beings is being expelled from your group, your tribe. This is likely to keep them silent and in line . I doubt Muslim female martyrs would want to go to the same destination as the men, only admitted in a serving capacity I suspect
It is a mistake to think that there is just one tribe of Muslims. There are many which have differing emphases/interpretations on parts of the Koran and hadiths.
No-one is saying all Muslims are a threat, so there is absolutely no point in your comment. Time to focus on the Muslims who do not believe in free speech. Who are openly anti-semitic, who rape young girls.
You are so wrong. Why can't you just take it as read that a comment about Islam is not a comment about all Muslims. Comments such as yours play into the hands of Islamist and race hustlers who love the pretend that discussion about Islam is racist and colonialist. And comments like yours just get in the way. We need to focus on the serious issue: the threat posed to Western democracies by Islamic extremism. If we don't we will lose our tolerant pluralistic democratic society.
You're also wrong on this point. To provide evidence, once again I'd encourage you to read the Pew report - attitudes of British Muslims.
There are differing commitments to the most abhorrent views, such as execution for apostacy and the crime of being gay. It's not as black and white as you're assuming.
Hardest commitment - active terrorists.
Committed - actively supporting and engaging in terrorism.
Supportive - Networks - the softer side, social messaging and preaching.
And of course, those who acknowledge the problem, but look the other way. Which by the way, under English common law, is a crime.
Some further reading for you before you continue your ignorance, 'If it takes a thousand years'.
Yes, there are plenty of Muslim doctors, dentists etc...you're making the assumption that because someone has a high-status job they have liberal views. You are wrong on this and the evidence is there. There are numerous examples of engineers, lawyers, doctors supporting terrorism.
This assumption comes from a Western way of thinking...the ideology of Islam completely overpowers economic status. Read the Pew report on attitudes of British Muslims.
Agree James. Here in Australia, not a citizen, but I've been thinking past few days that we need Jewish hospitals here now, for the safety of patients. We've already had several months ago, one male and one female Islamist nurses in Sydney stating what they allegedly do to Jewish patients. There really is a massive extremist problem in Sydney and Melbourne, including another terror plot on route arrested just this morning. Australia - you really have a serious problem on your hands. The world is waking up after Bondi. Enough is enough. And for second generation would be terror actors - they need deporing to their parents birthplace. No more excuses
Harjit Athwal (My ophthalmologist for 25 years. I still don’t know his national origin, but he Americanized many years ago and changed his name to Harry. He may be Indian? He has three family doctors in the practice. They are all Americans now.
Yes but what about all the educated Muslims - the doctors, dentists, corporate lawyers, academics, eg Arif Ahmed who is outspoken about free speech in universities.
Arif Ahmed isn't a Muslim, albeit with a name like that, one can assume he was born one (as, rather worryingly, we all are, according to the Islamic faith...)! He's a professor of philosophy at Cambridge who is described as "an atheist and a libertarian," and whose "philosophical outlook is most closely allied with those of David Hume and Friedrich Hayek." His forthcoming book, to be published by Harvard University Press, is titled "God: Four Modern Illusions"!!!
With a title like that, no wonder Ahmed is keen on free speech! Talk about a target on his back, especially if his new book mentions the Religion of Peace! Brave chap.
I agree with you and Jonathan, I believe the reason the 'moderate' muslims don't stand up, is that there is a primary mindset that the faith comes first, everything else is secondary, with a shared belief that islam is the only true and last reliigion, which the whole world will ultimately submit to: only then will there be peace when sharia law rules. It is antithetical to the western mindset, who want to live and let live live in tolerance to other's beliefs. But but this has gone on for 1400 years, it is unchangeable and unchallengable to many muslims. When the chips are down, they know where there loyalty lies; and to use a leftist phrase 'silence is violence' and sadly most people are unaware of the ideology and doctrines and are easily apeased by believing the false rhetoric. The politicians are complicit and as the potential voting block gets bigger, so will the obfuscation, gaslighting and back door blasphemy laws they are endeavouring to bring in to completely shut down debate.
You’ve hit the nail on the head. There is very little chance of Islam ever being reformed because the indoctrination is based on the scriptures which contain all the hatred we see from the fundamentalists. So called moderate Muslims are simply Muslims who don’t strictly follow the scriptures but unfortunately it is estimated that across the world, between 10% -25% of Muslims are fundamentalists.
There are reformers, who want to reject the violence and supremacist doctri es, however they hit the brick wall of the claims and majority accepted views that the koran is the last and indelible, direct words from god, so how can it ever be reformed or even challenged.
As stated earlier, the Koran is supposed to be the word of God and so cannot be contradicted. On the other hand, Sharia law is the creation of medieval patriarchal misogynistic clerics which has far more severe penalties than the Koran. The Koran does not say alcohol is 'haram' (forbidden) and adultery is supposed to be punished by flogging, not execution by stoning. Most Moslems don't actually believe much, but they keep in line through fear and family solidarity. Those who step out of line receive death threats.
Utter nonsense, there are millions even if you go for the lower figure of 10%. In the UK we have 4 million Muslims. That means 400 000 possible extremists. Now work it out globally.
There is no point in discussing this because you seem so angry if you’re not agreed with. I believe that although we have a problem in this country with Islamists in this country the situation is not the extreme view
Moderate Muslims are not necessarily literalists they often adhere to the gentler traditions like the Sufis in existence in Egypt before the Muslim Brotherhood started spreading political Islam. So no I don’t believe that all Muslims put Islam before anything else. According to Ed Husain who is a Muslim all that Muslims need to live peacefully and contentedly in a country are to be able to have a place of worship to practise their religion, to be able to obtain kosher/halal meat for their dietary requirements, to be allowed to have private property, and a couple of other requirements that are non controversial that slip my mind right now. It is not the intention to change our society but to cherish our democratic freedoms.The main problem is posed by the younger Muslims who are being poisoned by Islamists on social media and in mosques.
I haven’t read the Pew Report and although it is a reputable research organisation it may not be accurate if it is referring to the US situation and extrapolating to the UK.
Again, you keep missing the point. No one is saying that all Muslims are literal but a very large number are. So I repeat, the problem is with the ideology which enables large numbers to behave the way they do- it’s in the unreformed scriptures. And until that is addressed there will be more violence. Having said that, what we all want is for all Muslims to be like the ones you mention, but that isn’t likely to happen.
It is usually if not always the extremists in an organization, who tend to be the most fearless and most ruthless. who call the shots as with the IRA and Stalinists in Russia. Unfortunately we cannot hope to see that many moderate Moslems protesting against those who lay down the law in their communities.
No I don’t agree - take a look at the writings of and interviews with the moderate and thoughtful Ed Husain who advocates for a pluralistic society living in harmony , yet he is still a devout Muslim.
And yet the violent, hate filled passages are there. What do they do? Ignore them? It’s all very well to cherry pick but there are many who follow the scriptures to the letter. And that is the perennial problem.
But we have violent hate filled passages in the bible too and also many contradictory passages. The problem is the Islamist interpretations of the texts which can appear ambiguous.
The difference is that Christians have always interpreted and reformed the scriptures knowing them to be the fallible word of humans. The scriptures in Islam are the direct word of Allah and cannot be interpreted or reformed, according to most Muslims. Also, Jesus preached peace and love whatever his disciples may have said (and most of the violent passages are pre Jesus anyway). Compare that to Islamic scriptures which are riddled with hate, violence and instructions to despise or worse, non Muslims. Yes there are many good Muslims but they are irrelevant, and where are their voices anyway? The problem is the ideology and by refusing to confront that, you are perpetuating the problems alongside the good muslims. There is little that can be done about those millions of fundamentalists who follow the exact scriptures to the letter. There’s too many of them and no overarching leader, just lots of imams, many of whom preach hate exactly as it is written in the scriptures. And to repeat, the ideology as it is written is the problem. It is too easy for Muslims to fail in their endless lists of instructions for everyday life. But by carrying out jihad they can redeem themselves and are guaranteed heaven with men achieving their personal harem of permanent virgins. Islam is very good at appealing to the baser instincts of men. It’s how Mohammed recruited his armies of fighters and it’s still happening today.
I don't know whether many Moslems would call Husain devout. He is an admirable exception. A Moslem biologist (in the New Scientist) who led prayers in his local mosque considered himself devout but because he disputed that Allah created Adam from a lump of clay went in fear of his life and took out life insurance for his family.
Their violence is ever more shocking and why are the perpetrators of threats not followed up and prosecuted. This behaviour should be stamped out. Deportation might work but everyone Labour will never do what’s needed because of their voter base.
Don’t forget that Muslims donate 10% of all their earnings to their Mosque so they are automatically invested, literally and socially, into what goes on, good and bad. If the hope is that moderate, sensible Muslims will stand up to the hate preachers I’d say it’s pretty unlikely this will happen.
Absolutely spot on , the globalist pushers are sitting back and letting the Western leaders do the job for them ! I'm 80 , so to a point it doesn't and won't affect me ! But I fear for the future generations , they are not being taught to think for themselves . That well used comparison to the 1984 film , isn't so far away now !
I couldn't agree more and as you say it is simple. So simple. Wokeness is a long lingering disease which clouds judgement to suicidal levels. How much easier if would be if I didn't have children.
Wouldn’t it just! You know, I have friends who are still Labour voters and even more unbelievably are incredibly woke. They probably think I’m a knuckle dragger and belong in the mountains. I just can’t get it through to them that we’re facing a life or death threat. Maybe I need to ditch them in 2026?
No don't ditch them, that's the MO of the woke shutting themselves off in their safe spaces. Plus if you are their only sane influence you must keep going. I have a mix of woke and none woke and the woke ones provide much entertainment when I drop in I will probs vote reform. The look of bemusement on their faces is priceless. In their heads they're thinking big she's not racist, and she does all the things we do. It's the best way to convince them that supporting Reform and anti-immigration is not outlandish. Remember it's nearly 30 years since Blair came to power. That's 39 years of indoctrination and brain washing to unpick. It will take time.
His rationale was “if my kids had been slaughtered on that day I’d expect my country to avenge them.” I have another friend who blames Israel for the explosion in immigration - he’s a very intelligent man but has clearly lost his mind and is about to lose me as a friend!
I don’t really want to be friends with idiots and bigots and I’m getting a bit old to try to convert 60 year olds who should know better. My ex University friends are the worse particularly lawyers and teachers and of course the one local government chief officer. The accountants and bankers (me) can see the economy disappearing down the plug hole and the strain massive legal and illegal immigration is putting on growth and taxes. I only see them a couple of times a year so I can cope with that. Just!!
Yes I would say a couple of times a year is quite enough ! It’s like these people inhabit La La land ! You can’t convert them unfortunately . Too far gone . It would take something happening to them or theirs
Sadly that’s true and I’d hate for that to happen. Can’t be converted and 35% of the electorate should be enough for a Reform majority with the left fragmented.
Muslims donate 10% of their earnings to their Mosques. On top of this most mosques are registered charities reflecting the “prayer, education and good community work” they undertake - you couldn’t make this stuff up. Charitable status means mosques qualify for gift aid so another 25% of donations is gifted by??? Us the taxpayers of course!! Fair enough the donor has to pay tax but this comes out of the total tax pot.
Yes but there are different mosques for different types of Muslim, eg the peaceful integrating Ahmediyya. You need to listen to the sane thoughtful and old style Muslim Ed Husain. Influenced by older generations of his family he changed from being a young radical to who he has become today and is arguing the case for integration in writing and on social media. See also apostates who show us how the Islamists operate. Only by understanding how they operate and their mindset can we fight their poison. People need to educate themselves about this .
I agree with every word , but I think it's too late , the younger generation hasn't been taught to think for themselves . As for the Muslims standing up to the Imams and cult leaders , they'll just be annihilated !
Of course I do and I admit I haven’t experienced living in a Pakistani area but I just don’t feel able to condemn a whole group for its worst adherents. My mum was treated very kindly by a Pakistani GP when the English GP completely failed her. I do agree that we have a problem in this country fostered by the left who need Muslim votes and are not remembering what happened in Iran. I see the left as being just as much a problem in facilitating the rape gangs etc by not calling out and punishing all involved. And not throwing hate filled imams out of the country together with the Muslim Brotherhood adherents All this is fixable with a good govt. The left have moved much further left than they used to be - they are more like Militant in the 1970s - and are a serious danger to our country.
Now is the time for political titans that will take this problem by the scruff of the neck at throw it out of Western civilisations. Trump faces exactly the same problem in the States but, is actively doing something about it. Deporting millions and hunting down those who plot against his country. The rest of the West has the example and must follow it. Soon!
I like to think we are the Border Collies . Just waiting for the right leader and we will sort out the wolves and send the sheep off to market . We are alert, aware, just waiting for the word and we will work together . Am running with this metaphor !
And yet all governments keep letting more and more followers of Islam in. It just isn’t compatible in western countries. Yes we all know there are decent Muslims, we just can’t know which is which
Sadly even decent Muslims can be afraid to oppose their radical Brethren for fear of being murdered themselves. That is what their Koran instructs. Also remember that Islam is not a religion. It is an ideology which promotes men and subjugates women.
Read the chapter in the Koran on women. It clearly states that in a court it needs the testament of two women to counter that of one man. A man in his will is exhorted to leave twice as much to a male heir as a female one. Women are second class citizens and that could be the Achilles heel of Islam: women, rise up and change things.
You really think they will ever be allowed to rise up, all this is embedded in their laws, unlike when Western women were demanding the vote. Muslim women will never be able to rise up without actually being killed. Just look at honour killing, always women killed!
Speaking as a Roman Catholic I have never experienced anything like the level of devotion my Muslim friends hold for their religion. As others have said it’s more a cult, a movement than a simple religion. Islam doesn’t just rule their lives it IS their lives. Sadly, the Q’aran’s teachings are incompatible with our secular ways of life in western democracies and this will either be resolved with mass deportations and closure of the mosques where evil has festered or our country will become Pakistan 2.
Well said Matt. We are stuck between two totalitarian ideologies which want to destroy western democracies and impose their world view- the red / green alliance between Marxists and Islamists. But as happened in Iran, once islamists are in power they execute the Marxists and leftists. And yet, here we are with the same indoctrinated lefties, so blinded by ideology that they refuse to see what’s happening or to learn from history. There are now many ex Muslims trying to warn our leaders and wake them up to the threats…..but they do nothing apart from call us far right for noticing the dangers. They are as guilty as the terrorists for every attack and rape from people who do not need to be here. And if there’s anyone who still doesn’t think that the Muslim Brotherhood isn’t behind all the men flooding into the country, think again. They act like the mafia, financing the crossings.
Exactly. A minister from the UAE warned us to do something back in 2017. The Muslim Brotherhood has been acting like the Fabian Society, slowly radicalising men by building mosques everywhere. It’s partly how the revolution happened in Iran.
Yes, the failure to ban the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots is just incomprehensible. Surely it would be a way of saying "OK we accept the secularized not-so-strict Muslims as becoming a part of our society, but the dangerous ones are banned and Out or Else. Otherwise they all get "tarred with the same brush". The trouble is that, because it puts them in danger, these moderate and reasonable Muslims don't speak up - where are the ones marching in the streets saying "For Allah's sake, a 10 year old girl!, we are nothing to do with this poison and hatred and violence"? Unless the Government shows leadership on this... I await wild responses about how ridiculous it is to expect this at the moment!... they won't even have the freedom to stand up and join in to civilized Western society. Their only choices, if they have the brains and the guts, is to cut themselves off from the Mosques and from religious expression in their lives, or even to convert to another religion. But if there is leadership, they could become "secularized" and "only cultural" Muslims and feel socially supported. I don't know if this is possible long-term - after all, Raymond Ibrahim acknowledges the moderate Muslims but says that basically Islam simply is not compatible with Western Civilization. I don't think we should necessarily give up hope on this - after all, there are plenty of cultural Jews but we don't burn all the copies of Deuteronomy because of the risk of fanatic extremist Jews in a future generation. (For people who haven't seen it, it's well worth watching on YouTube the intelligent conversation in Triggernometry's latest interview with Mr Ibrahim, with some great comments by Mr Kisin and Mr Foster as well.)
I watched it this morning, Ibrahim is excellent as is Jasmine Mohammed and Dan Burmawi (apologies for wrong spellings).
We do need to try and be optimistic simply because we have many Muslims already here, but I’m with ibrahim really, Islam is incompatible with the west and we should drastically limit immigration whilst finding ways to insist that Muslims here adapt to our values or if necessary,leave.
I don’t think Jews , who have caused no harm, in fact have benefitted our country since the 1600’s was a good example to use there . There is not the slightest bit of evidence to support the scenario you postulate and even the suggestion isn’t helpful when they are facing murderous anti semitism
You misunderstand my point, which is only about scriptures and logic. There are many arguments about how all this hatred and intolerance is justified by the Koran, and therefore even if you had a "reasonable" generation, some future fanatic could justify the revival of appalling treatment of other human beings by "going back to their holy book". But our own "Old Testament", as Christians rather than Jews refer to it, includes appalling things, e.g. stoning homosexuals and disobedient adolescents to death. We don't therefore "take against the Bible" just because some future Jew could try and revive such practices, as they were acceptable to a primitive tribe. We rely on the "cultural evolution" of post-Enlightenment modern Jews to enable them to continue with their own rituals reinforcing their cultural identity, without mistrusting them. I'm suggesting it would be nice if future Muslims could do the same, and survive as "cultural Muslims" rather than strictly observant fundamentalist ones. I am not even beginning to suggest there is any "evidence" for this, I am just looking at connections between scriptures and practices and fundamentalism and potential rediscovery through new generations. The Jews are, in my estimation, a generally superior people, partly because of the survivors of centuries of appalling treatment and conquest by other nations being representative of an "evolutionarily refined" survival instinct and high intelligence (as evidenced by their wildly disproportionate number of creatives e.g. in the entertainment industry, and also of Nobel Prize winners). They are an absolutely vital civilizational force which need to be appreciated and defended at all costs. I have never anywhere failed to be against anti-semitism, being particularly aware of the amount of propaganda around the Gaza war and of the high standards to which the IDF hold themselves.
Oth Jews and Christian's have a history of critical exegesis of the Bible, whereas Orthodox Muslims believe that the Quran must be interpreted literally. Of course there are a few Muslims who takes different view, bit they are few and far between and often need round the clock protection from their more "pious" co- religionists. Mainstream Islam takes the Quran absolutely as written.
Enough with the candles, hashtags and baby-talk slogans. “This is not who we are.” “Love wins.” “Diversity is our strength.” These aren’t answers — they’re anaesthetic, wheeled out by gutless leaders every time blood hits the pavement.
From Bondi to Manchester, the script never changes. Killers butcher innocents, and within minutes the political class is competing to sound the most soothing, the most inclusive, the most determined not to notice the obvious. Ideology is scrubbed away. Motive is “complex”. Violence is endlessly “contextualised”. Anything resembling honesty is denounced as “hate”.
This is how a civilisation sleepwalks into danger. Islamist extremism is real, organised and deadly — yet mentioning it is treated as more offensive than the bodies it leaves behind. Assimilation is taboo. Borders are porous. Preachers of hate are indulged. Meanwhile Jews are told to keep their heads down while mobs chant for intifada on Western streets.
The toxic pact between Islamist grievance politics and a self-loathing woke left has produced a culture where the majority is lectured, minorities are infantilised, and law-abiding citizens are expected to accept the unacceptable.
This isn’t compassion. It’s surrender dressed up as virtue. No society survives by lying to itself, and no democracy endures when telling the truth is treated as extremism. The question isn’t whether the West has a problem. It’s whether it still has the courage to admit it — before the slogans run out and the graves keep filling.
I read yesterday that the Australian immigration Minister was giving 2,000 visas to Palestinians to come to live in Australia. Do these people ever think about consequences!
They live in their gated communities,travel in their chauffeured bullet-proof limousines, never use public transport and move in their little bubbles of like-mindedness. They are truly clueless.
Thank you for all you do in shifting the Overton window Matt. Rupert Lowe is doing very good work also. Such a shame that he is not a part of Reform 😪 On another note, in relation to pandering to minorities, the report in the British Medical Journal attempting to make the idea of female genital mutilation seem acceptable due to it being 'cultural' , is truly shocking. On par with the NHS espousing the benefits of cousin marriage. Now this is what you call 'infiltration'!!! Where will it all end 🤬
That's a superb summary of this absurd situation. Or is it absurd? How does this aid the globalist/Fabian/Schwab/WEF agenda? If radical Islamists and the globalists are so antithetic? Are we the jam between these two slices of bread? Or what?
Just imagine if these extremist Muslims had deliberately attacked a black community, the response would be much different. And if it had been actual far-right, neo-nazi types doing the attacking, the progressives would have called for a ban on Reform and tarred every last person who was right-leaning and anti-immigration as part of the problem (I.e. looking at a culture or belief-system). Yet we can't mention Islam after yet another Islamist attack. I still don't understand how the left progressives who hate religion and tradition and anything conservative seem to adore the most conservative of all religions. A complete contradiction.
I have lived in three Muslim majority countries and I must say I found the people very pleasant, peaceful and courteous - maybe it is true they are exporting the worst and most extreme to our shores - but one thing that could not be ignored was the rampant racism especially against Black people who were seen as the race designated by Allah as fit only for slavery. In one country the poorest "guest workers" were construction workers from North Sudan who were almost universally despised.
It's basically on the principle that my enemy's enemy is my friend. Leftists hate above all the West and European civilisation, therefore the most overt threat to it must somehow be good. But the alliance of Left with Islamists is fraying., that's their problem.
A Muslim man put his life on the line at Bondi Beach in order to protect Jews. If more moderate Muslims at least expressed their horror it would go a long way to improving the situation. The fact that most are too terrified to speak out tells us all we need to know of the increasing danger we are all facing.
The Islamist attack on the Jewish celebration on Bondi Beach in Australia is horrific, tragic and disgusting beyond words. However, it is but an extension of the horrors of The 2023 October Music Festival Massacre! All European and Commonwealth Leaders should hang their heads in shame. Yes I’m talking about you Macron, Trudeau, Starmer et al for your Woke and ‘blind eye’ approach to the Free Palestinian Marches and the spewing of Anti Semitic slogans and propaganda, some even projected onto parliamentary buildings. Where did you think that would all lead? How long before a similar attack happens here I wonder? When it does YOU will be responsible due to your weakness and mindless pursuit of unfettered immigration!
It has all happened before: the Western Roman Empire fell in the 5th century AD because it could no longer control its borders; hence the series of barbarian invasions. No doubt there were simpering Christian bishops at the time calling for 'compassion' for those poor Goths and Vandals, who were being pursued by the Huns (who later put in an appearance). In much of Europe centuries of civilization bent down the u-bend of history. Must we go through all that again?
Let’s remember the Fabians are wolves in sheeps’ clothing and as with the Islamists are out to overthrow the west…socialist governments are complicit - we have a fight on our hands
We fight by rallying behind those with a platform, who can speak up for the majority and overturn this orwellian nightmare at the ballot box asap! We must live in hope - cometh the hour…
Exactly so, as an 84 year old I can take a somewhat detached view. I see a desperate world for my grandchildren who seem blissfully unaware of the threat of Islamism itself. I think that two things should happen. The many Muslims who make a contribution must stand up to the Imams who spread hate and stop them: perhaps they are too intimidated. The other is to lose the ridiculous feelings of guilt (which I don't share) of Empire, slavery (which we abolished, nobody else did) and stand up for ourselves. If we don't we will lose our country. We also need to closely monitor what happens in mosques, we don't and that is one obvious problem with a free society which is being abused these radical preachers. We need to fight, it really is as simple as that.
I totally agree with every word. The problem is that we have a Labour government that is likely to be in power for the next 4 years and if this state of affairs goes on until then, we are lost. Labour will never do what needs to be done, they refuse to see the problem and they totally lack any courage. They would rather turn a blind eye and continue with their false virtue signalling and globalist agenda which will sink us all in the mire of Islamist extremism. What I can't understand is why the moderate Muslims don't speak out against the extremists in their midst.
I think that they are too intimidated to speak out; the Imams have huge power and influence over what is perhaps a less educated and more easily influenced congregation. Don't forget also that martyrdom entitles a Muslim man to go straight to paradise and into the arms of 72 virgins - which gives you some idea of the religion itself. I am not sure of what happens to a female martyr(!).
One of the biggest threats to all human beings is being expelled from your group, your tribe. This is likely to keep them silent and in line . I doubt Muslim female martyrs would want to go to the same destination as the men, only admitted in a serving capacity I suspect
It is a mistake to think that there is just one tribe of Muslims. There are many which have differing emphases/interpretations on parts of the Koran and hadiths.
Yes agreed but there are plenty of Muslim doctors, dentists, corporate lawyers and academics, eg Arif Ahmed is speaking up for free speech.
No-one is saying all Muslims are a threat, so there is absolutely no point in your comment. Time to focus on the Muslims who do not believe in free speech. Who are openly anti-semitic, who rape young girls.
Yes, too many of the extremist Muslims to focus on those who are normal.
When Muslims are referred to without qualification it is tantamount to saying all Muslims, so I beg to disagree with your comment.
You are so wrong. Why can't you just take it as read that a comment about Islam is not a comment about all Muslims. Comments such as yours play into the hands of Islamist and race hustlers who love the pretend that discussion about Islam is racist and colonialist. And comments like yours just get in the way. We need to focus on the serious issue: the threat posed to Western democracies by Islamic extremism. If we don't we will lose our tolerant pluralistic democratic society.
You're also wrong on this point. To provide evidence, once again I'd encourage you to read the Pew report - attitudes of British Muslims.
There are differing commitments to the most abhorrent views, such as execution for apostacy and the crime of being gay. It's not as black and white as you're assuming.
Hardest commitment - active terrorists.
Committed - actively supporting and engaging in terrorism.
Supportive - Networks - the softer side, social messaging and preaching.
And of course, those who acknowledge the problem, but look the other way. Which by the way, under English common law, is a crime.
Some further reading for you before you continue your ignorance, 'If it takes a thousand years'.
Yes, there are plenty of Muslim doctors, dentists etc...you're making the assumption that because someone has a high-status job they have liberal views. You are wrong on this and the evidence is there. There are numerous examples of engineers, lawyers, doctors supporting terrorism.
This assumption comes from a Western way of thinking...the ideology of Islam completely overpowers economic status. Read the Pew report on attitudes of British Muslims.
Agree James. Here in Australia, not a citizen, but I've been thinking past few days that we need Jewish hospitals here now, for the safety of patients. We've already had several months ago, one male and one female Islamist nurses in Sydney stating what they allegedly do to Jewish patients. There really is a massive extremist problem in Sydney and Melbourne, including another terror plot on route arrested just this morning. Australia - you really have a serious problem on your hands. The world is waking up after Bondi. Enough is enough. And for second generation would be terror actors - they need deporing to their parents birthplace. No more excuses
Harjit Athwal (My ophthalmologist for 25 years. I still don’t know his national origin, but he Americanized many years ago and changed his name to Harry. He may be Indian? He has three family doctors in the practice. They are all Americans now.
Yes but what about all the educated Muslims - the doctors, dentists, corporate lawyers, academics, eg Arif Ahmed who is outspoken about free speech in universities.
You have named one. Could you name all the others please.
Arif Ahmed isn't a Muslim, albeit with a name like that, one can assume he was born one (as, rather worryingly, we all are, according to the Islamic faith...)! He's a professor of philosophy at Cambridge who is described as "an atheist and a libertarian," and whose "philosophical outlook is most closely allied with those of David Hume and Friedrich Hayek." His forthcoming book, to be published by Harvard University Press, is titled "God: Four Modern Illusions"!!!
With a title like that, no wonder Ahmed is keen on free speech! Talk about a target on his back, especially if his new book mentions the Religion of Peace! Brave chap.
I do know he is. He has given a talk at my local philosophy club
There is Zia Yousef
I cannot trust that man, I left Reform because of the appalling accusations he made against Rupert Lowe.
Jamal Masroor
Is that it ?
I agree with you and Jonathan, I believe the reason the 'moderate' muslims don't stand up, is that there is a primary mindset that the faith comes first, everything else is secondary, with a shared belief that islam is the only true and last reliigion, which the whole world will ultimately submit to: only then will there be peace when sharia law rules. It is antithetical to the western mindset, who want to live and let live live in tolerance to other's beliefs. But but this has gone on for 1400 years, it is unchangeable and unchallengable to many muslims. When the chips are down, they know where there loyalty lies; and to use a leftist phrase 'silence is violence' and sadly most people are unaware of the ideology and doctrines and are easily apeased by believing the false rhetoric. The politicians are complicit and as the potential voting block gets bigger, so will the obfuscation, gaslighting and back door blasphemy laws they are endeavouring to bring in to completely shut down debate.
You’ve hit the nail on the head. There is very little chance of Islam ever being reformed because the indoctrination is based on the scriptures which contain all the hatred we see from the fundamentalists. So called moderate Muslims are simply Muslims who don’t strictly follow the scriptures but unfortunately it is estimated that across the world, between 10% -25% of Muslims are fundamentalists.
There are reformers, who want to reject the violence and supremacist doctri es, however they hit the brick wall of the claims and majority accepted views that the koran is the last and indelible, direct words from god, so how can it ever be reformed or even challenged.
Exactly
As stated earlier, the Koran is supposed to be the word of God and so cannot be contradicted. On the other hand, Sharia law is the creation of medieval patriarchal misogynistic clerics which has far more severe penalties than the Koran. The Koran does not say alcohol is 'haram' (forbidden) and adultery is supposed to be punished by flogging, not execution by stoning. Most Moslems don't actually believe much, but they keep in line through fear and family solidarity. Those who step out of line receive death threats.
That means that 75-90% are not, ie the majority.
Utter nonsense, there are millions even if you go for the lower figure of 10%. In the UK we have 4 million Muslims. That means 400 000 possible extremists. Now work it out globally.
There is no point in discussing this because you seem so angry if you’re not agreed with. I believe that although we have a problem in this country with Islamists in this country the situation is not the extreme view
Moderate Muslims are not necessarily literalists they often adhere to the gentler traditions like the Sufis in existence in Egypt before the Muslim Brotherhood started spreading political Islam. So no I don’t believe that all Muslims put Islam before anything else. According to Ed Husain who is a Muslim all that Muslims need to live peacefully and contentedly in a country are to be able to have a place of worship to practise their religion, to be able to obtain kosher/halal meat for their dietary requirements, to be allowed to have private property, and a couple of other requirements that are non controversial that slip my mind right now. It is not the intention to change our society but to cherish our democratic freedoms.The main problem is posed by the younger Muslims who are being poisoned by Islamists on social media and in mosques.
I haven’t read the Pew Report and although it is a reputable research organisation it may not be accurate if it is referring to the US situation and extrapolating to the UK.
Again, you keep missing the point. No one is saying that all Muslims are literal but a very large number are. So I repeat, the problem is with the ideology which enables large numbers to behave the way they do- it’s in the unreformed scriptures. And until that is addressed there will be more violence. Having said that, what we all want is for all Muslims to be like the ones you mention, but that isn’t likely to happen.
It is usually if not always the extremists in an organization, who tend to be the most fearless and most ruthless. who call the shots as with the IRA and Stalinists in Russia. Unfortunately we cannot hope to see that many moderate Moslems protesting against those who lay down the law in their communities.
No I don’t agree - take a look at the writings of and interviews with the moderate and thoughtful Ed Husain who advocates for a pluralistic society living in harmony , yet he is still a devout Muslim.
And yet the violent, hate filled passages are there. What do they do? Ignore them? It’s all very well to cherry pick but there are many who follow the scriptures to the letter. And that is the perennial problem.
But we have violent hate filled passages in the bible too and also many contradictory passages. The problem is the Islamist interpretations of the texts which can appear ambiguous.
The difference is that Christians have always interpreted and reformed the scriptures knowing them to be the fallible word of humans. The scriptures in Islam are the direct word of Allah and cannot be interpreted or reformed, according to most Muslims. Also, Jesus preached peace and love whatever his disciples may have said (and most of the violent passages are pre Jesus anyway). Compare that to Islamic scriptures which are riddled with hate, violence and instructions to despise or worse, non Muslims. Yes there are many good Muslims but they are irrelevant, and where are their voices anyway? The problem is the ideology and by refusing to confront that, you are perpetuating the problems alongside the good muslims. There is little that can be done about those millions of fundamentalists who follow the exact scriptures to the letter. There’s too many of them and no overarching leader, just lots of imams, many of whom preach hate exactly as it is written in the scriptures. And to repeat, the ideology as it is written is the problem. It is too easy for Muslims to fail in their endless lists of instructions for everyday life. But by carrying out jihad they can redeem themselves and are guaranteed heaven with men achieving their personal harem of permanent virgins. Islam is very good at appealing to the baser instincts of men. It’s how Mohammed recruited his armies of fighters and it’s still happening today.
I don't know whether many Moslems would call Husain devout. He is an admirable exception. A Moslem biologist (in the New Scientist) who led prayers in his local mosque considered himself devout but because he disputed that Allah created Adam from a lump of clay went in fear of his life and took out life insurance for his family.
Their violence is ever more shocking and why are the perpetrators of threats not followed up and prosecuted. This behaviour should be stamped out. Deportation might work but everyone Labour will never do what’s needed because of their voter base.
Don’t forget that Muslims donate 10% of all their earnings to their Mosque so they are automatically invested, literally and socially, into what goes on, good and bad. If the hope is that moderate, sensible Muslims will stand up to the hate preachers I’d say it’s pretty unlikely this will happen.
Absolutely spot on , the globalist pushers are sitting back and letting the Western leaders do the job for them ! I'm 80 , so to a point it doesn't and won't affect me ! But I fear for the future generations , they are not being taught to think for themselves . That well used comparison to the 1984 film , isn't so far away now !
Agree with all this save one thing. We need a Christian revival of faith. My hope is God will send us the leaders.
I couldn't agree more and as you say it is simple. So simple. Wokeness is a long lingering disease which clouds judgement to suicidal levels. How much easier if would be if I didn't have children.
Wouldn’t it just! You know, I have friends who are still Labour voters and even more unbelievably are incredibly woke. They probably think I’m a knuckle dragger and belong in the mountains. I just can’t get it through to them that we’re facing a life or death threat. Maybe I need to ditch them in 2026?
No don't ditch them, that's the MO of the woke shutting themselves off in their safe spaces. Plus if you are their only sane influence you must keep going. I have a mix of woke and none woke and the woke ones provide much entertainment when I drop in I will probs vote reform. The look of bemusement on their faces is priceless. In their heads they're thinking big she's not racist, and she does all the things we do. It's the best way to convince them that supporting Reform and anti-immigration is not outlandish. Remember it's nearly 30 years since Blair came to power. That's 39 years of indoctrination and brain washing to unpick. It will take time.
Curiously one of my more lefty friends was converted to Reform by “our friends in Hamas.” Specifically, 7th October 2023.
Wow! How unusual. Oct 7 normally serves as an excuse to double down in the opposite direction. Brilliant. One converted.
His rationale was “if my kids had been slaughtered on that day I’d expect my country to avenge them.” I have another friend who blames Israel for the explosion in immigration - he’s a very intelligent man but has clearly lost his mind and is about to lose me as a friend!
For your own sanity . I have a couple of Labour voters in my circle but we keep off politics or the friendship wouldn’t survive
I don’t really want to be friends with idiots and bigots and I’m getting a bit old to try to convert 60 year olds who should know better. My ex University friends are the worse particularly lawyers and teachers and of course the one local government chief officer. The accountants and bankers (me) can see the economy disappearing down the plug hole and the strain massive legal and illegal immigration is putting on growth and taxes. I only see them a couple of times a year so I can cope with that. Just!!
Yes I would say a couple of times a year is quite enough ! It’s like these people inhabit La La land ! You can’t convert them unfortunately . Too far gone . It would take something happening to them or theirs
Sadly that’s true and I’d hate for that to happen. Can’t be converted and 35% of the electorate should be enough for a Reform majority with the left fragmented.
Muslims donate 10% of their earnings to their Mosques. On top of this most mosques are registered charities reflecting the “prayer, education and good community work” they undertake - you couldn’t make this stuff up. Charitable status means mosques qualify for gift aid so another 25% of donations is gifted by??? Us the taxpayers of course!! Fair enough the donor has to pay tax but this comes out of the total tax pot.
Yes but there are different mosques for different types of Muslim, eg the peaceful integrating Ahmediyya. You need to listen to the sane thoughtful and old style Muslim Ed Husain. Influenced by older generations of his family he changed from being a young radical to who he has become today and is arguing the case for integration in writing and on social media. See also apostates who show us how the Islamists operate. Only by understanding how they operate and their mindset can we fight their poison. People need to educate themselves about this .
I agree with every word , but I think it's too late , the younger generation hasn't been taught to think for themselves . As for the Muslims standing up to the Imams and cult leaders , they'll just be annihilated !
Of course I do and I admit I haven’t experienced living in a Pakistani area but I just don’t feel able to condemn a whole group for its worst adherents. My mum was treated very kindly by a Pakistani GP when the English GP completely failed her. I do agree that we have a problem in this country fostered by the left who need Muslim votes and are not remembering what happened in Iran. I see the left as being just as much a problem in facilitating the rape gangs etc by not calling out and punishing all involved. And not throwing hate filled imams out of the country together with the Muslim Brotherhood adherents All this is fixable with a good govt. The left have moved much further left than they used to be - they are more like Militant in the 1970s - and are a serious danger to our country.
Now is the time for political titans that will take this problem by the scruff of the neck at throw it out of Western civilisations. Trump faces exactly the same problem in the States but, is actively doing something about it. Deporting millions and hunting down those who plot against his country. The rest of the West has the example and must follow it. Soon!
We are lead by sheep and surrounded by wolves .
We are the sheep I'm afraid.
I like to think we are the Border Collies . Just waiting for the right leader and we will sort out the wolves and send the sheep off to market . We are alert, aware, just waiting for the word and we will work together . Am running with this metaphor !
That is exactly what it feels like.
Led by snakes more like.
And yet all governments keep letting more and more followers of Islam in. It just isn’t compatible in western countries. Yes we all know there are decent Muslims, we just can’t know which is which
Sadly even decent Muslims can be afraid to oppose their radical Brethren for fear of being murdered themselves. That is what their Koran instructs. Also remember that Islam is not a religion. It is an ideology which promotes men and subjugates women.
Read the chapter in the Koran on women. It clearly states that in a court it needs the testament of two women to counter that of one man. A man in his will is exhorted to leave twice as much to a male heir as a female one. Women are second class citizens and that could be the Achilles heel of Islam: women, rise up and change things.
You really think they will ever be allowed to rise up, all this is embedded in their laws, unlike when Western women were demanding the vote. Muslim women will never be able to rise up without actually being killed. Just look at honour killing, always women killed!
so where are the women standing up for the rights that we have fought hard to win. The Womens’ Movement seems to have been silenced by the woke left
Do you really think there will ever be a female Imam ?
Speaking as a Roman Catholic I have never experienced anything like the level of devotion my Muslim friends hold for their religion. As others have said it’s more a cult, a movement than a simple religion. Islam doesn’t just rule their lives it IS their lives. Sadly, the Q’aran’s teachings are incompatible with our secular ways of life in western democracies and this will either be resolved with mass deportations and closure of the mosques where evil has festered or our country will become Pakistan 2.
Same and I agree
Bradford is often referred to by the locals as Bradistan.
Not only does our current Government let more Muslims in, they are welcoming them !
The incredible situation of allowing thousands of illegal immigrants into our precious country , without any checks or restrictions is appalling !
It’s all part of the WEF plan. Our Government is leading us towards mayhem !
Well said Matt. We are stuck between two totalitarian ideologies which want to destroy western democracies and impose their world view- the red / green alliance between Marxists and Islamists. But as happened in Iran, once islamists are in power they execute the Marxists and leftists. And yet, here we are with the same indoctrinated lefties, so blinded by ideology that they refuse to see what’s happening or to learn from history. There are now many ex Muslims trying to warn our leaders and wake them up to the threats…..but they do nothing apart from call us far right for noticing the dangers. They are as guilty as the terrorists for every attack and rape from people who do not need to be here. And if there’s anyone who still doesn’t think that the Muslim Brotherhood isn’t behind all the men flooding into the country, think again. They act like the mafia, financing the crossings.
The Muslim Brotherhood is banned across much of the Middle East , Austria and Russia also I believe. Slow to act Starmer is unlikely to do it .
Exactly. A minister from the UAE warned us to do something back in 2017. The Muslim Brotherhood has been acting like the Fabian Society, slowly radicalising men by building mosques everywhere. It’s partly how the revolution happened in Iran.
Yes, the failure to ban the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots is just incomprehensible. Surely it would be a way of saying "OK we accept the secularized not-so-strict Muslims as becoming a part of our society, but the dangerous ones are banned and Out or Else. Otherwise they all get "tarred with the same brush". The trouble is that, because it puts them in danger, these moderate and reasonable Muslims don't speak up - where are the ones marching in the streets saying "For Allah's sake, a 10 year old girl!, we are nothing to do with this poison and hatred and violence"? Unless the Government shows leadership on this... I await wild responses about how ridiculous it is to expect this at the moment!... they won't even have the freedom to stand up and join in to civilized Western society. Their only choices, if they have the brains and the guts, is to cut themselves off from the Mosques and from religious expression in their lives, or even to convert to another religion. But if there is leadership, they could become "secularized" and "only cultural" Muslims and feel socially supported. I don't know if this is possible long-term - after all, Raymond Ibrahim acknowledges the moderate Muslims but says that basically Islam simply is not compatible with Western Civilization. I don't think we should necessarily give up hope on this - after all, there are plenty of cultural Jews but we don't burn all the copies of Deuteronomy because of the risk of fanatic extremist Jews in a future generation. (For people who haven't seen it, it's well worth watching on YouTube the intelligent conversation in Triggernometry's latest interview with Mr Ibrahim, with some great comments by Mr Kisin and Mr Foster as well.)
I watched it this morning, Ibrahim is excellent as is Jasmine Mohammed and Dan Burmawi (apologies for wrong spellings).
We do need to try and be optimistic simply because we have many Muslims already here, but I’m with ibrahim really, Islam is incompatible with the west and we should drastically limit immigration whilst finding ways to insist that Muslims here adapt to our values or if necessary,leave.
Agree
I don’t think Jews , who have caused no harm, in fact have benefitted our country since the 1600’s was a good example to use there . There is not the slightest bit of evidence to support the scenario you postulate and even the suggestion isn’t helpful when they are facing murderous anti semitism
You misunderstand my point, which is only about scriptures and logic. There are many arguments about how all this hatred and intolerance is justified by the Koran, and therefore even if you had a "reasonable" generation, some future fanatic could justify the revival of appalling treatment of other human beings by "going back to their holy book". But our own "Old Testament", as Christians rather than Jews refer to it, includes appalling things, e.g. stoning homosexuals and disobedient adolescents to death. We don't therefore "take against the Bible" just because some future Jew could try and revive such practices, as they were acceptable to a primitive tribe. We rely on the "cultural evolution" of post-Enlightenment modern Jews to enable them to continue with their own rituals reinforcing their cultural identity, without mistrusting them. I'm suggesting it would be nice if future Muslims could do the same, and survive as "cultural Muslims" rather than strictly observant fundamentalist ones. I am not even beginning to suggest there is any "evidence" for this, I am just looking at connections between scriptures and practices and fundamentalism and potential rediscovery through new generations. The Jews are, in my estimation, a generally superior people, partly because of the survivors of centuries of appalling treatment and conquest by other nations being representative of an "evolutionarily refined" survival instinct and high intelligence (as evidenced by their wildly disproportionate number of creatives e.g. in the entertainment industry, and also of Nobel Prize winners). They are an absolutely vital civilizational force which need to be appreciated and defended at all costs. I have never anywhere failed to be against anti-semitism, being particularly aware of the amount of propaganda around the Gaza war and of the high standards to which the IDF hold themselves.
Oth Jews and Christian's have a history of critical exegesis of the Bible, whereas Orthodox Muslims believe that the Quran must be interpreted literally. Of course there are a few Muslims who takes different view, bit they are few and far between and often need round the clock protection from their more "pious" co- religionists. Mainstream Islam takes the Quran absolutely as written.
Matt...
As always, you have hit the nail on the head. Excellent aricle.
Perfectly expressed as usual Matt. Thank you for your tireless work.
Enough with the candles, hashtags and baby-talk slogans. “This is not who we are.” “Love wins.” “Diversity is our strength.” These aren’t answers — they’re anaesthetic, wheeled out by gutless leaders every time blood hits the pavement.
From Bondi to Manchester, the script never changes. Killers butcher innocents, and within minutes the political class is competing to sound the most soothing, the most inclusive, the most determined not to notice the obvious. Ideology is scrubbed away. Motive is “complex”. Violence is endlessly “contextualised”. Anything resembling honesty is denounced as “hate”.
This is how a civilisation sleepwalks into danger. Islamist extremism is real, organised and deadly — yet mentioning it is treated as more offensive than the bodies it leaves behind. Assimilation is taboo. Borders are porous. Preachers of hate are indulged. Meanwhile Jews are told to keep their heads down while mobs chant for intifada on Western streets.
The toxic pact between Islamist grievance politics and a self-loathing woke left has produced a culture where the majority is lectured, minorities are infantilised, and law-abiding citizens are expected to accept the unacceptable.
This isn’t compassion. It’s surrender dressed up as virtue. No society survives by lying to itself, and no democracy endures when telling the truth is treated as extremism. The question isn’t whether the West has a problem. It’s whether it still has the courage to admit it — before the slogans run out and the graves keep filling.
I read yesterday that the Australian immigration Minister was giving 2,000 visas to Palestinians to come to live in Australia. Do these people ever think about consequences!
They live in their gated communities,travel in their chauffeured bullet-proof limousines, never use public transport and move in their little bubbles of like-mindedness. They are truly clueless.
No, but it looks virtuous on the world stage..
Thank you for all you do in shifting the Overton window Matt. Rupert Lowe is doing very good work also. Such a shame that he is not a part of Reform 😪 On another note, in relation to pandering to minorities, the report in the British Medical Journal attempting to make the idea of female genital mutilation seem acceptable due to it being 'cultural' , is truly shocking. On par with the NHS espousing the benefits of cousin marriage. Now this is what you call 'infiltration'!!! Where will it all end 🤬
That's a superb summary of this absurd situation. Or is it absurd? How does this aid the globalist/Fabian/Schwab/WEF agenda? If radical Islamists and the globalists are so antithetic? Are we the jam between these two slices of bread? Or what?
Just imagine if these extremist Muslims had deliberately attacked a black community, the response would be much different. And if it had been actual far-right, neo-nazi types doing the attacking, the progressives would have called for a ban on Reform and tarred every last person who was right-leaning and anti-immigration as part of the problem (I.e. looking at a culture or belief-system). Yet we can't mention Islam after yet another Islamist attack. I still don't understand how the left progressives who hate religion and tradition and anything conservative seem to adore the most conservative of all religions. A complete contradiction.
I have lived in three Muslim majority countries and I must say I found the people very pleasant, peaceful and courteous - maybe it is true they are exporting the worst and most extreme to our shores - but one thing that could not be ignored was the rampant racism especially against Black people who were seen as the race designated by Allah as fit only for slavery. In one country the poorest "guest workers" were construction workers from North Sudan who were almost universally despised.
It's basically on the principle that my enemy's enemy is my friend. Leftists hate above all the West and European civilisation, therefore the most overt threat to it must somehow be good. But the alliance of Left with Islamists is fraying., that's their problem.
A Muslim man put his life on the line at Bondi Beach in order to protect Jews. If more moderate Muslims at least expressed their horror it would go a long way to improving the situation. The fact that most are too terrified to speak out tells us all we need to know of the increasing danger we are all facing.
The Islamist attack on the Jewish celebration on Bondi Beach in Australia is horrific, tragic and disgusting beyond words. However, it is but an extension of the horrors of The 2023 October Music Festival Massacre! All European and Commonwealth Leaders should hang their heads in shame. Yes I’m talking about you Macron, Trudeau, Starmer et al for your Woke and ‘blind eye’ approach to the Free Palestinian Marches and the spewing of Anti Semitic slogans and propaganda, some even projected onto parliamentary buildings. Where did you think that would all lead? How long before a similar attack happens here I wonder? When it does YOU will be responsible due to your weakness and mindless pursuit of unfettered immigration!
Ignorant, traitorous and shameful!w
Whatever happened to: ‘Never Again?’
It has all happened before: the Western Roman Empire fell in the 5th century AD because it could no longer control its borders; hence the series of barbarian invasions. No doubt there were simpering Christian bishops at the time calling for 'compassion' for those poor Goths and Vandals, who were being pursued by the Huns (who later put in an appearance). In much of Europe centuries of civilization bent down the u-bend of history. Must we go through all that again?
Let’s remember the Fabians are wolves in sheeps’ clothing and as with the Islamists are out to overthrow the west…socialist governments are complicit - we have a fight on our hands
I agree Jean but fight with what ?
Our Police force is now in effect “The Thought Police”. We have to watch what we say and to whom.
Our King is a member of the WEF, whilst our Government is full of traitors !
We fight by rallying behind those with a platform, who can speak up for the majority and overturn this orwellian nightmare at the ballot box asap! We must live in hope - cometh the hour…