This is becoming increasingly terrifying and if the Tories hadn’t been so incompetent they’d have put some free speech protections in place instead of trying to appear to be the nice Party. Christopher Hitchins warned about this years ago and in a speech in 2009 he said to protest while you still can. I’m not sure that we still can, things are now so bad.
All people with religious beliefs are protected under the Equality Act; what this Act would do is to give special protections to one particular belief system. It would limit our ability to debate problems with the belief system and deal with them, it would provide an open door to an Islamic takeover of laws and values which we could not oppose without the risk of arrest. We could not even identify the grooming gangs.
If anyone still thinks that Labour aren’t authoritarians on steroids, please think again.
The gangs should be called 'rape/grooming gangs'. Grooming is in many ways worse than rape as it is systematic and extends over a long period of time, usually years. Rape is bad enough but rape plus grooming will leave marks for life.
Whatever the law may say, all people with religious beliefs are not protected in reality.
A popular film in cinemas last year, now on Netflix, has a main character who, after half an hour of f-ing this and f-ing that, comes out with the line "Jesus sh-t on the f-ing cross". (I did complain but was ignored).
This is not an argument for blasphemy laws, rather an example of the two tier approach to offending religious and cultural feelings. We saw this at the Paris Olympic ceremony with the LGBT+ spoof based on the last supper. Meanwhile the UK proposes a wide ranging definition of Islamophobia and US politicians support a wide ranging definition of antisemitism.
Individuals are protected from discrimination under the Equality Act, for example you can’t lose your job for your beliefs but your belief system can still be criticised. The belief system is not protected under the Equality Act and although it’s horrible when your religion is mocked I wouldn’t want to go down the authoritarian route of protecting it, that would be another blasphemy law.
I'm not arguing for blasphemy laws, merely pointing out double standards. There is a huge difference between what the law says and how the law is enforced.
Holding a prisoner in solitary confinement for months on end and denying him visits from friends is a clear breach of human rights law. But when it is the human rights lawyers who are breaking human rights law, they go unchallenged.
It will eventually be self-defeating for Labour. Like the ‘appeasing’ of crocodiles in the hope they will be eaten last, Islam will subsume Labour as well as everyone else
Exactly, it’s already happening. And I don’t think Churchill would enjoy saying I told you so regarding the appeasement the West has been indulging in.
Not in practice, the later verses abrogate the earlier pseudo ones. Look up which countries Christians are persecuted in. "By their fruits shall ye know them".
Being authoritarian is not the half of it. Starmer is a Trotskyite. Reeves is a communist. All of Starmer's Gang are Marxists of one variety or another, a view I have long held. I am glad to hear Katherine Birbal-Singh express the same view in her recent interview. She knows better than I.
Cancelling local elections is merely a warm up to cancelling the general election in 2029. Their aim is to turn UK into a one-party state. They had better be careful with their allies, the political Islamists, who are simply waiting for the Gang to do that for them then to take it over and convert it to an authoritarian caliphate.
I completely agree and have said the same as you many times on here and on other substacks. And one of the first things I said when they were elected was ‘ I wonder how long it’ll be before they find a way to cancel the next election.’ These are incredibly worrying times on so many levels.
What a terrifying vision for the future, I really fear for our young people and future generations. This illustrates the flaw in democracy, particularly a liberal democracy, where our enemies are taking advantage of the freedoms on offer, and this corrupt Government, who have lied about everything in order to win power are completely in hock to their Muslim voters and will do anything in order to retain their votes. The whole thing stinks.
If burning a copy of the Quoran is such a serious offence then why does it not apply to other holy books? What about Christians, Jews, Hindus and Sikhs, are they not to be allowed the same protection against the smearing of their religions? The simple answer is that there are only 300,000 Jews in Britain, so the Labour Party does not need to worry about their votes; likewise Hindus who tend to vote Conservative, but when it comes to the Islamic vote, well that is another matter, so the Labour Party will sell the rest of the British citizens down the river, even to the point of making British people subservient to Muslims. Where will this lead? Will Muslims be given preferential treatment in the NHS or the courts because of their religion? Will everyone else have to start observing the Call to Prayer because if not it will be offensive? Will we be forced to accept Sharia rulings in a dispute between Muslims and Infidels?
Thank God we have democratic giants like Matt, Dr David Starkey and the brave Toby Young on our side, because without them I do not know how we would fight our corrupt Government. There may be no end to this appeasement to win votes and if things carry on in this way we will end-up like Sweden; a salutary lesson of what happens when a liberal democracy tries to accommodate Islam.
Yes, worth at least a thousand upvotes! 100% nail.on.the.head. But the question remains … what can be done about it? Protecting Western culture won’t be easy …
We simply need to elect a government that will do the job and return us to the country that we knew, like the good citizens of the USA have done, but British people are so utterly brainwashed and the forces of the Left are sponsored by the tax-payer, giving them free-rein over the corrupt media.
Talking of elections... doesn't short sighted Labour see that at the next election there will be more Islamic candidates than ever. Who will the Muslims vote for? Labour?
This is the problem, Islam does not recognise democracy, so the Muslims will simply put up more candidates until they control Parliament and then close it down, forcing everyone to obey Sharia. Labour is too stupid to see this having learned nothing from history, but what can you expect from imbeciles who still worship Marxism, having seen how vicious the ideology is? This explains why the Left are so violent, because they have no regard for humanity, only a blind obedience to their ideology.
There were many "Independent/Green" candidates in the last election, many of them voted in purely on their stance over Gaza. By the next election the Islamic Party of UK will be better organised and Labour will find their vote melting away. In the meantime we do not want blasphemy laws, especially when only one religion is protected. In the last census Christianity was stated as the religion of over 46% in the UK so perhaps that should be protected against all others or have all religions protected the same?
It is all really alarming . But like the declining rule of law in this country it depends on citizens going along with it . Will this committee consider what they will do if most people won’t acquiesce to the discussion of legitimate concerns around Islam off limits? Are we going to see a repeat of what happened in Scotland when Humza Yousaf wanted people to report each other and many thousands including myself reported him for his “white white white “ hate speech , the system was overwhelmed and collapsed . The committee should consider whether their actions are more likely to subdue the population or inflame it. I for one am not going to see my England turned into a soviet style society without protest . I will send you a postcard from the salt mines !
Personally I wouldn’t burn any religions primary text , that would be to deliberately offend. I am talking about being prepared to incidentally offend , as part of a legitimate discussion, around for example the grooming gangs . Moslems may not like the legitimate discussion of what part their religion played in the targeting of young white children , but their being offended is not a valid reason for us not to have the discussion , or for the authorities to try and outlaw the discussion. That in fact enabled the rape gangs to get away with it undisturbed
Agree they couldn’t arrest us all. It may indeed come to some such organised mass protest . People should not be jailed in a free country absolutely not
Originally from South Africa and one of the most effective tools of protest, particularly by women, was to simply overwhelm the apartheid police and legal system with everyone simply breaking the unjust apartheid "law". You cannot simply arrest or charge everyone, and it just breaks the entire system. I agree, people should simply protest, demonstrate, post and discuss freely on any matter that breaks any Islamophobe law until the system and plan falls apart. If people do get charged they never please guilty and will win every case and block the courts.
Equally if not more sinister is the way the authorities seem to collude with extremists in a way that sets people up for extra-judicial punishment. In Manchester, a man who destroyed a Koran had his name and picture shared on line by the police. They did this knowing what happened to the teachers in Paris and Batley.
Other examples include liberal media gloating after Southport about how "far right" prisoners might be "welcomed" by ethnic gangs in prison.
Let's create a definition of Britannophobia. Something like:
'Hatred of Britain, denigration of its heritage; disadvantaging of the long-standing population relative to immigrants; labelling of Britannophiles as 'far-right'.
Of course you are right, but some delicacy intervened this time round, as it goes against the grain to be crude - but when really enraged that goes by the board sometimes. In an earlier Matt Goodwin article I replied to a comment to the effect that we now have a British Self Hate Institute, the latter word shortened to Ite (to distinguish it from 'Institution'}. We can abbreviate even further to BS. I like your ending - 'Institutional Trust'.
By trying to control what people can and can’t say, they are really just admitting they’ve lost the debate. They are admitting that multiculturalism has failed in the UK.
This Islamophobia situation is purely Labour pandering to the Muslim population to garner their votes. We know that these community leaders dictate who their flock vote for and make sure by orchestrating the postal vote. It is going to be vital come election time, everyone who can vote does so, in order that those that normally don’t vote do so. How long will it be before the Islamic community kick Labour into touch, and vote for their own candidates. Labour cannot see any further than the end of their nose.
He also said: Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it (The River War 1899). I'll desist from copying in the rest of what he said in case I offend anyone!
The kick will be delivered at the next election. We need together rid of the postal vote. All who want it must prove that they are unable to get to the voting booth and that they speak and understand English. (And Welsh)
Who amongst our” leaders can do this. Reform hopefully but it may be too late if we don’t take the fight to what I consider to be the enemy
Matt, words fail me. Why is there not a referendum on this act? Why are we, the British people not being consulted? I have nothing against Muslims. I have a real problem with it being shoved down my throat. I have Muslim friends and they, without exception, think this is crazy. Plays into the hands of extremism and a minority of a minority. I think Labour are preparing themselves for an election. I believe the death nails are in Starmers coffin and his time along with others, is up. Labour MPs are missing from Parliament, why. Rumours abound of Rayner staging a coup. Back benchers are meeting, clandestinely, discussing a leadership challenge. Beware the ide’s of March. Block postal votes, is an area of real concern. 70% of Islam women who are spousal, of a voting age, do not read and write or even speak English. Yet they vote by post? The investigation into postal voting corruption was notably led by Election Commissioner Richard Mawrey QC. He declared postal voting vulnerable to fraud on an "industrial scale" and criticized its misuse in the UK, including high-profile cases like the Tower Hamlets mayoral election. In 2015, Mawrey found Mayor Lutfur Rahman guilty of corrupt and illegal practices, including postal vote fraud, leading to his removal from office and a voided election[2][3][4].
My final point and follows your thread is gang rape of innocent white girls. The perpetrators are animals. It’s estimated that over 20 years 80k girls were systematically abused. There have not been 80k arrests. Do the maths. By my reckoning that is 500k criminals, our judiciary has failed to prosecute. Lastly, I’d draw everyone attention to our constitution. No government can be stopped from doing things like Islamophobia laws. Our only instrument is public and political criticism. But is complaining about the act, in its self islamaphobic? Dystopian Britain, the laughing stock of the world!
T E Utley (one time deputy editor of the Telegraph) suggested in 1974 that a chief function of goverment was to
"maintain that minimum of cultural and moral unity within society without which a nation can be held together only by political tyranny”.
Rapid, mass immigration and the doctrine of multiculturalism has undermined whatever "cultural and moral unity" that was once our nation and so, as the problems of declining social trust and cohesion, of the social capital that once formed national unity, increase so government resorts to political tyranny. In today's UK that takes the form of two tier policing, suppression of free speech and an increasingly politicised judiciary.
Criminalising Islamophobia is an obvious next step. Islam is an imperial, politicised religion that is antithetical to democracy and our historic culture and traditions. Demographically, Islam is destined to be, already is actually, the number one problem for UK society: rape gangs, sharia courts, rampant anti-semitism, primary loyalties to foreign nations.
If we cannot criticise Islam or even report on crimes committed by Islamists then we should have the same laws for all religions, whoever they venerate, even if it is The Man On the Moon. Why pick only Islam which is apparently only 6.5% of UK citizens, though you would have thought more like 65% the influence they seem to have and special treatment they expect.
Is it not purely a political move by Labour? They see no choice but to try and hold on to this demographic vote. Futile, but we can see where they’re coming from. They do not perceive any long term threats to the U.K. from a clampdown on free speech but it will be an essentially Orwellian move towards it
Wait until the Islamic parties like Aspire in Tower Hamlets (men only party of Islam) gain more support round the country and Labour will find Muslims have no more use for them and will obey their Imam's instructions to vote for the local Islamic candidate. Then all this brown-nosing to Islam will have been a waste of time and money.
Labour enabling this by distributing the illegals around UK. so every constituency will have Muslims. The whole thing is a thought out campaign to change the face, culture and political design of UK. Part of which, I think we can accept, the postponing of local elections for a possible 2 years, - this can be assumed it to allow embedding the illegals into those regions. Raynor saying Wed that only half of the possible restructuring of regions will happen this time, so again we can assume the other half will happen, postponed in the 2 years time if elections then happen. Account also that the male illegals being distributed around nation by then also likely to have family join them which can mean with first generation mean household goes from 1 male to 6 or 7 and 3 of those be adult and vote. Sta Lin still has time to bring in 16 yrs vote and he might say that if receiving Benefits or paying tax etc can now immediately vote, …. his HR have no allegiance to U.K.
This is terrifying. If Islam becomes a protected faith then there is nothing to stop them from dominating the UK. Any objections to Sharia compliance will be swept away, leading to Sharia Law becoming the de facto standard.
But there are whole groups of British people who have not resisted and remain supine.
Group 1 is the ‘average’ Muslim living in the UK. I live near a huge Muslim area in Bradford and its surroundings. In my local internet paper, these people are almost model citizens. They are Conservative with a small c and possibly a large one if given the chance. They worry about crime, grass not being mowed etc. But as someone so succinctly put it, they ‘are the grass in which the extremist snakes hide’. They are scared stiff of protesting about Islamofascists - I love this word, but it will soon be illegal under Staarmer!
The second group that does nothing are the feminists. These rape bangs are targeting young WOMEN. This should be a prime target for feminists. They are a raucous lot. When a well-known TV chef makes some sexist remarks he's OUT, in a few weeks.
But when young white girls are gang raped all day, drugged, beaten, trafficked you won't hear a word from them. WHY? Why indeed? I think it's because for Labour multiculturalism is a holy writ. But with Islamofascism, it's FAILED UTTERLY. If the feminists start screeching about rape gangs it could bring the whole edifice tumbling down. Plus Labour needs those votes. So you won't here a single cheep out of the Guardian or BBC. The Guardian declares it's against ALL paedophile rape gangs. Which tries hard to take the searchlight off Islamic Pakistani gangs.
Lastly, there's the police. They are a disgrace and have been politicised by Labour to become a tool of the Left.
How many hundreds of years have the ‘moderate’ Muslims had to contain the ‘extremists’? Waiting for that to happen will be waiting for Godot. Christianity is a ‘reformed’ religion … there are still Christian Fundamentalists but they don’t control the narrative. A Reformation in a ‘certain’ religion would be a giant step in the right direction but it shows no sign of happening.
Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome. - Winston Churchill in The River War (1899)
I have worked with hundreds of Muslims who appeared very westernized and civilized. However when one of the sisters of a member of staff was murdered by their brother I was astonished that all who would discuss such a thing thought it a was a right and proper "honour killing" because she had reportedly been seen talking with a man not a relative. How soon before this sort of thing becomes common in the UK?
On more than one discussion on GBNews I have heard the Lefty participant try to deflect from the fact quoted in the report that the grooming/raping gangs are PREDOMINANTLY OF PAKISTANI ORIGIN by quoting a figure of 74% being white. This figure is from a different report of all sexual offences in the UK, from raping gangs down to an inappropriate grope at a works do. In most cases this has not been jumped on by the "impartial" host. Quoting the relevant report would soon be illegal if these chancers have their way.
Newsreaders should say "of predominantly Pakistani Muslim origin". The often used term 'Asian' in the context of grooming gangs is resented by Asian communities such as Indian Sikhs, Thai, Chinese &c. &c. Anecdotally, there are Muslims who do not approve of the puritanical Wahabi form of Islam that seems to be dominant in Pakistan, but they rarely speak up either through fear (of death threats) or from a reluctance to condemn their co-religionists.
I haven't heard the term Asian used so much lately. I hope that means that people now realise it is not Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc. who are predominantly responsible for these crimes.
How much lower could the Labour Party leaders and their courtiers sink than to create a law which would make criminals out of the Charlie Hebdo team, Samuel Paty and the Batley Grammar School teacher? Oh yes, and their former darling Rushdie?
All of them sentenced to death, many already "executed", the rest living in fear. 2TK has an uncanny ability to side with criminals and abusers against their victims.
A phobia is a fear, It s not a hatred. For that, we say miso- as in misogyny.
Are we surprised that islamophobia exists when a large minority of the followers of Islam are bent on massacring us ( not just me and other Jews but all of us) – for the greater glory of their god Allah? Let us respect the majority of Muslims who are humane, but we have to fear the large minority who are anything but. It would be nice if the law could take away our fear but it cannot. If islamophobia is to cease, the good Muslims must put an end to the terrible and barbarous deeds of their fellow Believers.
What particularly concerns me is that we are being encouraged to respect, even to defer to, a religion that believes it is God's will that they should put to death anyone that offends them or their religion. Christians on the other hand, if they ever believed this, and never with the fanaticism of the Islamists, gave that idea up hundreds of years ago. Bearing in mind that Mohammed lived several hundred years after Christ, can we hopefully expect the Muslim fanatics to abandon their primitivism and barbarity and become fairly civilised in due course?
Exactly: this was yet another example that made me realize how duped I have been over the last few years voting for the liberal Conservatives (but then who else could I have voted for?)
indeed , who could you vote for.? Now you have an alternative. However I am amazed at how many tribal Tories choose to bury their heads in the sand and intend to make the same mistake again. Its the country which matters not the party , it (the party ) has no god given right to exist. Thinking of what they could/should have done but didnt only deepens my anger. I am just thankful that my constituency of Gt. Yarmouth has seen through the BS for years ,over 70% voted for Brexit and then elected Rupert Lowe . He really shows up other politicians for the pygmies they are.
He comes over very well on TV discussions. Lucky you. Sadly our local MP is now a wet LimpDumb who was hopeless as a local councillor so how anyone thinks she will be any good as an MP I don't know.
It's not called "The Uniparty" for nothing. I also noted when looking through the membership of the committee that they were all of the same "diversity is our strength" and "Muslims can do no wrong" thinking.
This is really frightening. It will allow the extreme part of the Muslim community to act with impunity using these laws as protection from being called out. This will not help with integration into our society or beliefs but make segregation easier for them. This cannot be allowed to happen. It's blatantly unfair to other religions.
When a QC, a knight, a leader of a political Party kneels to a mar xist violent protests B L M, and we now know he attended Marx camps when a youth, no one should be surprised at he having no morals, no integrity no truth, …. It a sign, when people voted for the Party he led, how little thought we give to Parties and composition of candidates, structure of Party,…. As a nation we must ALL vote in the coming local and General elections, - street by street the Parties must get people going to that polling station and voting. Even if it means they put a line through the names and write None of the Above, the fact millions and millions had gone out to vote would rock Westminster and collaborating media.
This is becoming increasingly terrifying and if the Tories hadn’t been so incompetent they’d have put some free speech protections in place instead of trying to appear to be the nice Party. Christopher Hitchins warned about this years ago and in a speech in 2009 he said to protest while you still can. I’m not sure that we still can, things are now so bad.
All people with religious beliefs are protected under the Equality Act; what this Act would do is to give special protections to one particular belief system. It would limit our ability to debate problems with the belief system and deal with them, it would provide an open door to an Islamic takeover of laws and values which we could not oppose without the risk of arrest. We could not even identify the grooming gangs.
If anyone still thinks that Labour aren’t authoritarians on steroids, please think again.
Please call them what they were and are, not "grooming gangs" but Rape Gangs.
Many of the victims want to keep the grooming gang name as they feel they were groomed, but I agree, rape is what it is.
Perhaps combine the two terms as I have done in my comment above: 'grooming rape gangs'.
From what I have read of the judge's summing up in one of the cases at trial I would call them Rape & Torture Gangs.
The gangs should be called 'rape/grooming gangs'. Grooming is in many ways worse than rape as it is systematic and extends over a long period of time, usually years. Rape is bad enough but rape plus grooming will leave marks for life.
Indeed. It is long premeditated and planned. It is one of the draws for these people to come to UK.
No, they are Muslim Rape Gangs. Call it now before we are to be locked up for expressing this truth.
Whatever the law may say, all people with religious beliefs are not protected in reality.
A popular film in cinemas last year, now on Netflix, has a main character who, after half an hour of f-ing this and f-ing that, comes out with the line "Jesus sh-t on the f-ing cross". (I did complain but was ignored).
This is not an argument for blasphemy laws, rather an example of the two tier approach to offending religious and cultural feelings. We saw this at the Paris Olympic ceremony with the LGBT+ spoof based on the last supper. Meanwhile the UK proposes a wide ranging definition of Islamophobia and US politicians support a wide ranging definition of antisemitism.
Individuals are protected from discrimination under the Equality Act, for example you can’t lose your job for your beliefs but your belief system can still be criticised. The belief system is not protected under the Equality Act and although it’s horrible when your religion is mocked I wouldn’t want to go down the authoritarian route of protecting it, that would be another blasphemy law.
I'm not arguing for blasphemy laws, merely pointing out double standards. There is a huge difference between what the law says and how the law is enforced.
Holding a prisoner in solitary confinement for months on end and denying him visits from friends is a clear breach of human rights law. But when it is the human rights lawyers who are breaking human rights law, they go unchallenged.
Yes, I take your point. And that’s partly due to fear as I’ve just said above.
Mind you, we do have unofficial blasphemy laws due to the fear of being attacked or worse by extreme islamists.
Exactly. Rule through fear. And how well it works as we saw during Covid.
It will eventually be self-defeating for Labour. Like the ‘appeasing’ of crocodiles in the hope they will be eaten last, Islam will subsume Labour as well as everyone else
Exactly, it’s already happening. And I don’t think Churchill would enjoy saying I told you so regarding the appeasement the West has been indulging in.
All of Labour are genuinely too stupid and blinded by their Marxist ideology to see this, that appeasing Islam will somehow keep the muslim vote.
When a proper Islamic party is up and running in the UK Labour will find their votes disappearing like ice cream in the sunshine.
Absolutely. Rendered stupid by ideology I’d say. They seem to be incapable of rational, analytical thought.
As Jesus actually figures in Islam as a prophet, you can go back and get them via an Islamophobia complaint
Not in practice, the later verses abrogate the earlier pseudo ones. Look up which countries Christians are persecuted in. "By their fruits shall ye know them".
Being authoritarian is not the half of it. Starmer is a Trotskyite. Reeves is a communist. All of Starmer's Gang are Marxists of one variety or another, a view I have long held. I am glad to hear Katherine Birbal-Singh express the same view in her recent interview. She knows better than I.
Cancelling local elections is merely a warm up to cancelling the general election in 2029. Their aim is to turn UK into a one-party state. They had better be careful with their allies, the political Islamists, who are simply waiting for the Gang to do that for them then to take it over and convert it to an authoritarian caliphate.
I completely agree and have said the same as you many times on here and on other substacks. And one of the first things I said when they were elected was ‘ I wonder how long it’ll be before they find a way to cancel the next election.’ These are incredibly worrying times on so many levels.
What a terrifying vision for the future, I really fear for our young people and future generations. This illustrates the flaw in democracy, particularly a liberal democracy, where our enemies are taking advantage of the freedoms on offer, and this corrupt Government, who have lied about everything in order to win power are completely in hock to their Muslim voters and will do anything in order to retain their votes. The whole thing stinks.
If burning a copy of the Quoran is such a serious offence then why does it not apply to other holy books? What about Christians, Jews, Hindus and Sikhs, are they not to be allowed the same protection against the smearing of their religions? The simple answer is that there are only 300,000 Jews in Britain, so the Labour Party does not need to worry about their votes; likewise Hindus who tend to vote Conservative, but when it comes to the Islamic vote, well that is another matter, so the Labour Party will sell the rest of the British citizens down the river, even to the point of making British people subservient to Muslims. Where will this lead? Will Muslims be given preferential treatment in the NHS or the courts because of their religion? Will everyone else have to start observing the Call to Prayer because if not it will be offensive? Will we be forced to accept Sharia rulings in a dispute between Muslims and Infidels?
Thank God we have democratic giants like Matt, Dr David Starkey and the brave Toby Young on our side, because without them I do not know how we would fight our corrupt Government. There may be no end to this appeasement to win votes and if things carry on in this way we will end-up like Sweden; a salutary lesson of what happens when a liberal democracy tries to accommodate Islam.
Yes, worth at least a thousand upvotes! 100% nail.on.the.head. But the question remains … what can be done about it? Protecting Western culture won’t be easy …
We simply need to elect a government that will do the job and return us to the country that we knew, like the good citizens of the USA have done, but British people are so utterly brainwashed and the forces of the Left are sponsored by the tax-payer, giving them free-rein over the corrupt media.
Labour can do an awful lot of harm before the next election and then who do you vote for? The entire Uniparty has let us down over the years.
Talking of elections... doesn't short sighted Labour see that at the next election there will be more Islamic candidates than ever. Who will the Muslims vote for? Labour?
This is the problem, Islam does not recognise democracy, so the Muslims will simply put up more candidates until they control Parliament and then close it down, forcing everyone to obey Sharia. Labour is too stupid to see this having learned nothing from history, but what can you expect from imbeciles who still worship Marxism, having seen how vicious the ideology is? This explains why the Left are so violent, because they have no regard for humanity, only a blind obedience to their ideology.
There were many "Independent/Green" candidates in the last election, many of them voted in purely on their stance over Gaza. By the next election the Islamic Party of UK will be better organised and Labour will find their vote melting away. In the meantime we do not want blasphemy laws, especially when only one religion is protected. In the last census Christianity was stated as the religion of over 46% in the UK so perhaps that should be protected against all others or have all religions protected the same?
It is all really alarming . But like the declining rule of law in this country it depends on citizens going along with it . Will this committee consider what they will do if most people won’t acquiesce to the discussion of legitimate concerns around Islam off limits? Are we going to see a repeat of what happened in Scotland when Humza Yousaf wanted people to report each other and many thousands including myself reported him for his “white white white “ hate speech , the system was overwhelmed and collapsed . The committee should consider whether their actions are more likely to subdue the population or inflame it. I for one am not going to see my England turned into a soviet style society without protest . I will send you a postcard from the salt mines !
What if everyone bought a Koran off eBay and a box of matches?!
Personally I wouldn’t burn any religions primary text , that would be to deliberately offend. I am talking about being prepared to incidentally offend , as part of a legitimate discussion, around for example the grooming gangs . Moslems may not like the legitimate discussion of what part their religion played in the targeting of young white children , but their being offended is not a valid reason for us not to have the discussion , or for the authorities to try and outlaw the discussion. That in fact enabled the rape gangs to get away with it undisturbed
I wouldn’t either but if everyone did they couldn’t arrest us all. People who wish to shouldn’t be jailed.
Agree they couldn’t arrest us all. It may indeed come to some such organised mass protest . People should not be jailed in a free country absolutely not
Originally from South Africa and one of the most effective tools of protest, particularly by women, was to simply overwhelm the apartheid police and legal system with everyone simply breaking the unjust apartheid "law". You cannot simply arrest or charge everyone, and it just breaks the entire system. I agree, people should simply protest, demonstrate, post and discuss freely on any matter that breaks any Islamophobe law until the system and plan falls apart. If people do get charged they never please guilty and will win every case and block the courts.
Labour are creating a sacred caste which may not be criticised under any circumstances. RIP free speech.
Equally if not more sinister is the way the authorities seem to collude with extremists in a way that sets people up for extra-judicial punishment. In Manchester, a man who destroyed a Koran had his name and picture shared on line by the police. They did this knowing what happened to the teachers in Paris and Batley.
Other examples include liberal media gloating after Southport about how "far right" prisoners might be "welcomed" by ethnic gangs in prison.
Let's create a definition of Britannophobia. Something like:
'Hatred of Britain, denigration of its heritage; disadvantaging of the long-standing population relative to immigrants; labelling of Britannophiles as 'far-right'.
The British Self Hate Institute.
You left out a word at the end of the title … British Self Hate Institutional Trust … sorry!
Of course you are right, but some delicacy intervened this time round, as it goes against the grain to be crude - but when really enraged that goes by the board sometimes. In an earlier Matt Goodwin article I replied to a comment to the effect that we now have a British Self Hate Institute, the latter word shortened to Ite (to distinguish it from 'Institution'}. We can abbreviate even further to BS. I like your ending - 'Institutional Trust'.
Wonderful. Wish I'd thought of that!
By trying to control what people can and can’t say, they are really just admitting they’ve lost the debate. They are admitting that multiculturalism has failed in the UK.
In the end it will only benefit Reform.
Hope so. I just joined.
Welcome Jannie!
This Islamophobia situation is purely Labour pandering to the Muslim population to garner their votes. We know that these community leaders dictate who their flock vote for and make sure by orchestrating the postal vote. It is going to be vital come election time, everyone who can vote does so, in order that those that normally don’t vote do so. How long will it be before the Islamic community kick Labour into touch, and vote for their own candidates. Labour cannot see any further than the end of their nose.
Churchill said something like, appeasement is pandering to a crocodile hoping he will eat you last
He also said: Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it (The River War 1899). I'll desist from copying in the rest of what he said in case I offend anyone!
He was a man who knew what he was talking about
The kick will be delivered at the next election. We need together rid of the postal vote. All who want it must prove that they are unable to get to the voting booth and that they speak and understand English. (And Welsh)
Who amongst our” leaders can do this. Reform hopefully but it may be too late if we don’t take the fight to what I consider to be the enemy
Matt, words fail me. Why is there not a referendum on this act? Why are we, the British people not being consulted? I have nothing against Muslims. I have a real problem with it being shoved down my throat. I have Muslim friends and they, without exception, think this is crazy. Plays into the hands of extremism and a minority of a minority. I think Labour are preparing themselves for an election. I believe the death nails are in Starmers coffin and his time along with others, is up. Labour MPs are missing from Parliament, why. Rumours abound of Rayner staging a coup. Back benchers are meeting, clandestinely, discussing a leadership challenge. Beware the ide’s of March. Block postal votes, is an area of real concern. 70% of Islam women who are spousal, of a voting age, do not read and write or even speak English. Yet they vote by post? The investigation into postal voting corruption was notably led by Election Commissioner Richard Mawrey QC. He declared postal voting vulnerable to fraud on an "industrial scale" and criticized its misuse in the UK, including high-profile cases like the Tower Hamlets mayoral election. In 2015, Mawrey found Mayor Lutfur Rahman guilty of corrupt and illegal practices, including postal vote fraud, leading to his removal from office and a voided election[2][3][4].
Sources
[1] [PDF] Postal voting and electoral fraud: a reply to Richard Mawrey QC http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/57534/1/democraticaudit.com-Postal_voting_and_electoral_fraud_a_reply_to_Richard_Mawrey_QC.pdf
[2] Tower Hamlets election fraud mayor Lutfur Rahman removed ... - BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32428648
[3] [PDF] Purity of Elections in the UK - Executive Summary https://www.jrrt.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Purity-of-Elections-in-the-UK-Executive-Summary-2008.pdf
[4] Examination of Witnesses: 15 Sep 2021 - TheyWorkForYou https://www.theyworkforyou.com/pbc/2021-22/Elections_Bill/01-0_2021-09-15a.5.0
[5] Voter fraud measures announced in the Queen's speech - GOV.UK https://www.gov.uk/government/news/voter-fraud-measures-announced-in-the-queens-speech
[6] [PDF] Allegations of electoral fraud in Tower Hamlets in 2012 https://democracy.towerhamlets.gov.uk/documents/s42514/EC%20Rept%20Allegations%20of%20electoral%20fraud%20in%20Tower%20Hamlets%202012%20LS2703131447pm.pdf
[7] Security of postal voting | Electoral Commission https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/voting-and-elections/ways-vote/security-postal-voting
[8] [PDF] Postal voting and electoral fraud 2001-09 - UK Parliament https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN03667/SN03667.pdf
My final point and follows your thread is gang rape of innocent white girls. The perpetrators are animals. It’s estimated that over 20 years 80k girls were systematically abused. There have not been 80k arrests. Do the maths. By my reckoning that is 500k criminals, our judiciary has failed to prosecute. Lastly, I’d draw everyone attention to our constitution. No government can be stopped from doing things like Islamophobia laws. Our only instrument is public and political criticism. But is complaining about the act, in its self islamaphobic? Dystopian Britain, the laughing stock of the world!
T E Utley (one time deputy editor of the Telegraph) suggested in 1974 that a chief function of goverment was to
"maintain that minimum of cultural and moral unity within society without which a nation can be held together only by political tyranny”.
Rapid, mass immigration and the doctrine of multiculturalism has undermined whatever "cultural and moral unity" that was once our nation and so, as the problems of declining social trust and cohesion, of the social capital that once formed national unity, increase so government resorts to political tyranny. In today's UK that takes the form of two tier policing, suppression of free speech and an increasingly politicised judiciary.
Criminalising Islamophobia is an obvious next step. Islam is an imperial, politicised religion that is antithetical to democracy and our historic culture and traditions. Demographically, Islam is destined to be, already is actually, the number one problem for UK society: rape gangs, sharia courts, rampant anti-semitism, primary loyalties to foreign nations.
Exactly - cause and effect. If you want to implement political tyranny in a country like Britain, you must first break its cultural and moral unity.
If we cannot criticise Islam or even report on crimes committed by Islamists then we should have the same laws for all religions, whoever they venerate, even if it is The Man On the Moon. Why pick only Islam which is apparently only 6.5% of UK citizens, though you would have thought more like 65% the influence they seem to have and special treatment they expect.
I salute you sir.
But what do we do, Matt? The only route I can see is mass civil disobedience and refusal to be cowed.
Britain First is organising a Repatriation march in Nuneaton on 1st March. I hope it is not disrupted by the usual Socialist Worker suspects.
Wow I was born there. Hope it goes well. Too old and live too far away too attend. God bless you all 🙏
Is it not purely a political move by Labour? They see no choice but to try and hold on to this demographic vote. Futile, but we can see where they’re coming from. They do not perceive any long term threats to the U.K. from a clampdown on free speech but it will be an essentially Orwellian move towards it
Wait until the Islamic parties like Aspire in Tower Hamlets (men only party of Islam) gain more support round the country and Labour will find Muslims have no more use for them and will obey their Imam's instructions to vote for the local Islamic candidate. Then all this brown-nosing to Islam will have been a waste of time and money.
Labour enabling this by distributing the illegals around UK. so every constituency will have Muslims. The whole thing is a thought out campaign to change the face, culture and political design of UK. Part of which, I think we can accept, the postponing of local elections for a possible 2 years, - this can be assumed it to allow embedding the illegals into those regions. Raynor saying Wed that only half of the possible restructuring of regions will happen this time, so again we can assume the other half will happen, postponed in the 2 years time if elections then happen. Account also that the male illegals being distributed around nation by then also likely to have family join them which can mean with first generation mean household goes from 1 male to 6 or 7 and 3 of those be adult and vote. Sta Lin still has time to bring in 16 yrs vote and he might say that if receiving Benefits or paying tax etc can now immediately vote, …. his HR have no allegiance to U.K.
This is terrifying. If Islam becomes a protected faith then there is nothing to stop them from dominating the UK. Any objections to Sharia compliance will be swept away, leading to Sharia Law becoming the de facto standard.
But there are whole groups of British people who have not resisted and remain supine.
Group 1 is the ‘average’ Muslim living in the UK. I live near a huge Muslim area in Bradford and its surroundings. In my local internet paper, these people are almost model citizens. They are Conservative with a small c and possibly a large one if given the chance. They worry about crime, grass not being mowed etc. But as someone so succinctly put it, they ‘are the grass in which the extremist snakes hide’. They are scared stiff of protesting about Islamofascists - I love this word, but it will soon be illegal under Staarmer!
The second group that does nothing are the feminists. These rape bangs are targeting young WOMEN. This should be a prime target for feminists. They are a raucous lot. When a well-known TV chef makes some sexist remarks he's OUT, in a few weeks.
But when young white girls are gang raped all day, drugged, beaten, trafficked you won't hear a word from them. WHY? Why indeed? I think it's because for Labour multiculturalism is a holy writ. But with Islamofascism, it's FAILED UTTERLY. If the feminists start screeching about rape gangs it could bring the whole edifice tumbling down. Plus Labour needs those votes. So you won't here a single cheep out of the Guardian or BBC. The Guardian declares it's against ALL paedophile rape gangs. Which tries hard to take the searchlight off Islamic Pakistani gangs.
Lastly, there's the police. They are a disgrace and have been politicised by Labour to become a tool of the Left.
How many hundreds of years have the ‘moderate’ Muslims had to contain the ‘extremists’? Waiting for that to happen will be waiting for Godot. Christianity is a ‘reformed’ religion … there are still Christian Fundamentalists but they don’t control the narrative. A Reformation in a ‘certain’ religion would be a giant step in the right direction but it shows no sign of happening.
Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome. - Winston Churchill in The River War (1899)
I have worked with hundreds of Muslims who appeared very westernized and civilized. However when one of the sisters of a member of staff was murdered by their brother I was astonished that all who would discuss such a thing thought it a was a right and proper "honour killing" because she had reportedly been seen talking with a man not a relative. How soon before this sort of thing becomes common in the UK?
On more than one discussion on GBNews I have heard the Lefty participant try to deflect from the fact quoted in the report that the grooming/raping gangs are PREDOMINANTLY OF PAKISTANI ORIGIN by quoting a figure of 74% being white. This figure is from a different report of all sexual offences in the UK, from raping gangs down to an inappropriate grope at a works do. In most cases this has not been jumped on by the "impartial" host. Quoting the relevant report would soon be illegal if these chancers have their way.
Newsreaders should say "of predominantly Pakistani Muslim origin". The often used term 'Asian' in the context of grooming gangs is resented by Asian communities such as Indian Sikhs, Thai, Chinese &c. &c. Anecdotally, there are Muslims who do not approve of the puritanical Wahabi form of Islam that seems to be dominant in Pakistan, but they rarely speak up either through fear (of death threats) or from a reluctance to condemn their co-religionists.
I haven't heard the term Asian used so much lately. I hope that means that people now realise it is not Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc. who are predominantly responsible for these crimes.
How much lower could the Labour Party leaders and their courtiers sink than to create a law which would make criminals out of the Charlie Hebdo team, Samuel Paty and the Batley Grammar School teacher? Oh yes, and their former darling Rushdie?
All of them sentenced to death, many already "executed", the rest living in fear. 2TK has an uncanny ability to side with criminals and abusers against their victims.
A phobia is a fear, It s not a hatred. For that, we say miso- as in misogyny.
Are we surprised that islamophobia exists when a large minority of the followers of Islam are bent on massacring us ( not just me and other Jews but all of us) – for the greater glory of their god Allah? Let us respect the majority of Muslims who are humane, but we have to fear the large minority who are anything but. It would be nice if the law could take away our fear but it cannot. If islamophobia is to cease, the good Muslims must put an end to the terrible and barbarous deeds of their fellow Believers.
What particularly concerns me is that we are being encouraged to respect, even to defer to, a religion that believes it is God's will that they should put to death anyone that offends them or their religion. Christians on the other hand, if they ever believed this, and never with the fanaticism of the Islamists, gave that idea up hundreds of years ago. Bearing in mind that Mohammed lived several hundred years after Christ, can we hopefully expect the Muslim fanatics to abandon their primitivism and barbarity and become fairly civilised in due course?
Nope.
not soon enough I fear.
The fact that Labour have found a prominent Tory to chair this quango shows how integrated the values and opinions are between the two parties.
Exactly: this was yet another example that made me realize how duped I have been over the last few years voting for the liberal Conservatives (but then who else could I have voted for?)
indeed , who could you vote for.? Now you have an alternative. However I am amazed at how many tribal Tories choose to bury their heads in the sand and intend to make the same mistake again. Its the country which matters not the party , it (the party ) has no god given right to exist. Thinking of what they could/should have done but didnt only deepens my anger. I am just thankful that my constituency of Gt. Yarmouth has seen through the BS for years ,over 70% voted for Brexit and then elected Rupert Lowe . He really shows up other politicians for the pygmies they are.
He comes over very well on TV discussions. Lucky you. Sadly our local MP is now a wet LimpDumb who was hopeless as a local councillor so how anyone thinks she will be any good as an MP I don't know.
In recent decades I have voted for UKIP, Brexit, and Reform parties and one Independent. I don't think I've voted Tory since Maggie was deposed.
It's not called "The Uniparty" for nothing. I also noted when looking through the membership of the committee that they were all of the same "diversity is our strength" and "Muslims can do no wrong" thinking.
This is really frightening. It will allow the extreme part of the Muslim community to act with impunity using these laws as protection from being called out. This will not help with integration into our society or beliefs but make segregation easier for them. This cannot be allowed to happen. It's blatantly unfair to other religions.
When a QC, a knight, a leader of a political Party kneels to a mar xist violent protests B L M, and we now know he attended Marx camps when a youth, no one should be surprised at he having no morals, no integrity no truth, …. It a sign, when people voted for the Party he led, how little thought we give to Parties and composition of candidates, structure of Party,…. As a nation we must ALL vote in the coming local and General elections, - street by street the Parties must get people going to that polling station and voting. Even if it means they put a line through the names and write None of the Above, the fact millions and millions had gone out to vote would rock Westminster and collaborating media.