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Cass's avatar

Simply astounding statistics. We really are running a Welfare State for the whole world, but not for us!

Mrs Bucket's avatar

We all know Britain is wrecked. What are Matt's solutions?

Cass's avatar

Vote Reform? I believe they have a policy for this.

Tracy Hill's avatar

Reform is the only way to start reversing these trends but what do we do about British passport holders who only came here recently? Short of revoking their passports (which I'd support but the electorate probably wouldn't) they sadly have full rights to everything.

Cass's avatar

True, but we have to start from where we are. Change what we can, contain and manage what we can’t. As you say, I can’t see much appetite for expelling people with legal settled status, so we are down to managing the fall out with tougher ‘work not welfare’ schemes etc perhaps? I’m sure better brains than mine are already working on it.

Steve's avatar

If people come here to live yet only take all the benefits and refuse to contribute to society then that social contract is broken, a consequence of them breaking their side of the deal is they are stripped of their right of settlement and are required to leave, either voluntarily or by force if necessary.

The UK (and Europe as a whole) is being economically raped by people who have no moral scruples and will take advantage of the ‘suicidal empathy’ on offer until it is withdrawn and they are thrown out.

We are way past the point of niceties and good manners I’m afraid.

Iris February's avatar

I don't think the suggestion is to expel them, but to evict them from subsidized accommodation which the taxpayers are paying for. Seems very reasonable to me. Zia suggests 3 months notice which is ample.

Cass's avatar

It does seem reasonable.

Iris February's avatar

Having a British passport does not automatically entitle you to social housing though? If that were so all the accommodation would already have gone to indigenous Brits. What you are suggesting is that recent arrivals have more rights than those born here. If a recent arrival needs accommodation they could have a bedsit perhaps for a couple of months while they find accommodation for themselves. 18 year-olds coming to the end of foster care don't get much help so why do these recent arrivals?

Tracy Hill's avatar

I'm not at all suggesting recent arrivals should have more rights than Brits. Good god I think the opposite so I'm not sure where you got that from. All I was pointing out is that even if you're foreign born yet have a British passport then the law will treat you the same as anyone else who has a British passport. I don't know how we fix that. I would absolutely support priority for people who have been here for generations over those who got passport last week but the law treats them the same. I've already mentioned elsewhere that id support revoking recent passport allocation. We have to do what we have to do and big newcomers at the bottom of the queue or preferably not let them in at all.

Maryanne's avatar

The thing is, in previous times before any influx of foreign people to this country there were plenty of British Citizens who were not eligible for welfare or free housing. Welfare was only ever supposed to be a safety net. Why is it now being given to all and sundry as long as your not an indigenous Brit.

N White's avatar

Restore have a better one.

Steve's avatar

Restore is nothing more than the Youth Wing of the Conservative Party since Rupert Lowe cut a deal with Badenoch. I’m personally sick of the Uniparty in all its various guises.

Iris February's avatar

Restore are a false flag. Don't waste your time on them.

Mrs Bucket's avatar

First they need to radically raise their messaging so they start winning easy by-elections.

Stout Yeoman's avatar

The state expects us to be loyal to it, to respect a bargain, but that bargain requires the state to be loyal to us in turn which, for several decades, has not been the case.

David Goodhart, on page 28 of The British Dream (published in 2013), recounts a dinner conversation at an Oxford College in 2011 with a senior Treasury official who said "When I was at the Treasury I argued for the most open door possible to immigration … I think it’s my job to maximise global welfare not national welfare."

Goodhart went on "I was surprised to hear this from such a senior figure in a very national institution and asked the man sitting next to the civil servant, one of the most powerful television executives in the country, whether he believed global welfare should be put before national welfare, if the two should conflict. He said he believed global welfare was paramount and that therefore he had a greater obligation to someone in Burundi than to someone in Birmingham.

It is assumed by most commentators that migration is encouraged solely to support GDP, but Goodhart exposed that it is internationlist (i.e anti-nation) ideology that captured our institutions and politics. The four maps (which are four examples of what are many more such maps across England) is the result.

Tracy Hill's avatar

Yet if you draw the analogy to his own home and family, I'd bet he'd have a completely different idea. If people feel like this about their country (and most who do, usually live in a mansion in suburbia and not in the resulting ghettos) then why do they not apply the same to their homes. Don't just care for your own family, invite many foreign families in and look after them too. A bit like cretinous Billie Eilish's mansion being on "stolen land" yet she continues to live there.

Stout Yeoman's avatar

Goodhart should have asked them how taking doctors, nurses and others from poorer countries that bore the cost of training them and need them is maximising global welfare. Poaching is poaching.

N White's avatar

And it's not maximising life chances for our own young people who would like to train as doctors, nurses and other relatively well-paid health professionals. The money we spend recruiting from abroad (£millions per NHS Trust), not to mention the maternity, medical and education benefits we pay to arrivals and the money they extract from our economy by sending it back home could pay the tuition fees for our own youngsters.

Tracy Hill's avatar

It's an angle they never consider. All that matters is getting as many brown skinned people here. It's why their apparent concern for the global majority is so fake.

Graham Dunn's avatar

Your senior treasury official is completely and utterly deluded. Is that official aware of the world population after deducting totals from civilised countries ????

So our economy can support the welfare of all of these people?

Incompetent and totally unfit for office.

Evola's Sunglasses's avatar

The post '1945 Liberal paradigm' has reframed our minds to care more about people from abroad than the indigenous population.

Ken Norman's avatar

Yes; i.e. suicidal empathy.

Andrew Crean's avatar

Only the virtue signalling middle classes !

Evola's Sunglasses's avatar

True, but they make up the Managerial Class that propps up this rotten regime.

Mrs Bucket's avatar

We all know this.

Andrew Crean's avatar

I agree with the thrust of your argument of course Matt but what I should be interested to know is how many of these people not born in Britain hold British passports and how many do not. If you do not hold a British passport you have no business being in social housing. If you DO hold a British passport you have no business being in social housing for the first 20 years after acquiring that passport (imho).

Jules's avatar

We can already see that they are forfeiting our consent to rule. The question is, what comes next? Civil war, or this?

“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face— forever.”

George Orwell, 1984

David Rabey's avatar

Suicidal empathy is the polite way of saying societal death wish breaking irretrievably the social contract between a populace and their government.

Jonathan Ward's avatar

All this is stating the very obvious but the very obvious is not obvious to anyone in Labour, the Greens, the LibDems or even the Conservatives. It literally takes my breath away thinking about it. Where does this attitude comes from, how did we arrive here in a country where successive governments appear to have no commonsense? The only cure for this as far as I can see is voting Reform, which I do. This does not appear to be clear to the British voter who ignorantly goes on supporting the Uniparties. I have distinct feelings of foreboding about the result in Makerfield too. I also believe that we will soon pass the point of no return when this country is irrevocably lost.

Matthew Harper's avatar

I wish I could say I disagree, but I absolutely do agree and that only serves to make me feel even worse. Knowing the thoughts I have, the anger within that has accumulated over several years, only makes it worse as I cannot blame myself for being cynical, misguided or paranoid. The problem with social media is it confirms so many of our thoughts, our suspicions and it is little wonder Starmer wants to seriously limit it. And on Makerfield, I'd be tailing all ballot boxes from polling stations to counting stations. That proves my mistrust in our politicians.

Iris February's avatar

Look on the bright side. Lowe gets his way and stops Reform so Burnham wins. Burnham challenges 2TK, wins the keys to No 10 and makes even more of a hash of it. Labour consigned to the dustbin of history for ever at the next general election.

Lesley Snell's avatar

That is the bright side. The risk is Burnham going to the country for a fresh mandate early, the right wing vote remains split and Labour slithers past boosted by the benefit and immigrant votes

Allen Bowler's avatar

It was a hard read Matt, so depressing. I don’t know how you manage. It is strange how as a nation we have lost their tribal urge but politically some are happy to vote on such lines rather than for parties that would support our own people. The MSM never look at this kind of thing.

Tracy Hill's avatar

I read Farage's essay and the detail is staggering. Sir Stalin cannot deny two-tier society when it's clearly written into the law for all to see. What were the woke Tories thinking? How did they get caught up in this brainwashing? The sad fact (for now) is that many of the foreign-born taking up social housing will have British passports so what to be done? Personally I'd support the removal of a passport for anyone who was given one recently and hasn't contributed more than taken out but otherwise they have a UK passport and full rights. So all we can do is remove actual foreigners without a UK passport and I suspect the figures for that group are significantly smaller. It is of course still very important to highlight the figures.

I'd also like to see Reform talk tougher on how many years before ILR and a passport is given. For me it should be 20 years, contributing more than taken out in schooling, subsidised NHS care, benefits etc. in that time and a clean criminal record. I think Labour have even set the bar higher with ten years for ILR.

N White's avatar

Maybe we need to start getting used to stripping citizenship.

Michele Spong's avatar

Reform have already said they will abolish ILR.

Tracy Hill's avatar

Yes you're right they have now. They initially said they'd extend it to something like 7 years I thought.

Ken Norman's avatar

I truly believe that we are actually now living George Orwell’s 1984 apocalyptic life for real. I’m serious; I’ve been around the Sun nearly eighty times, and I can honestly say that right now is the worse period I have ever lived through and, it all started with New Labour in 1997 and the opening of the flood gates, followed by successive governments’ failure to grip the blind stupidity of mass immigration. The final coup de main was, of course, allowing Keir Starmer to head a Labour government which, in the space of less than two years, has brought my once great country to its knees. I’m really not looking forward to anything any more unless, of course, a Reform UK government is elected, in which case there may be just a slim chance of us being able to pull back from the brink of what will surely be the complete collapse of society.

HugoC's avatar

The First Lady of Sierra Leone, Fatima Jabbe-Bio, who was until recently renting out a council flat in Southwark highlights another blatant abuse of social housing. This is sub-letting by council tenants, who arbitrage the difference between low council rents and the market rate.

This was high-lighted in the early analysis of the Grenfell Towers’ fatalities and survivors. It was initially difficult to identify who was who due to subletting. The degree of subletting was first accepted as substantial. Later reports ducked the issue; the suspicion being that scrutiny was suppressed as a “too inconvenient truth”. Official figures claim subletting is only 5% or 6% of the 850,000 London stock of social housing but the anecdotal evidence suggests it could be much higher.

Nick Doran's avatar

Excellent once again Mr Goodwin. Staggering, truly staggering statistics, showing an abuse of power by those councils responsible for allocating social housing. Ask any decent British citizen who should get priority with such scarce resources, British military veterans and victims of domestic abuse or recently arrived foreigners (whether legally or illegally ), it would be a unanimous vote for the former.

Iris February's avatar

A council close to me with a strong military background (Portsmouth) often spouts off about giving vets priority but that's not what I hear on the ground. Always someone else in front of you in the queue.

Mrs Bucket's avatar

All too late Matt. This and many other issues SHOULD have been in the Makerfield election newspaper that SHOULD have gone through 50,000 letter boxes (and to the 73,000 voters) on Day One but because you and the Reform muddled management have NEVER understood how to really fight to win, we can now thank you for Prime Minister Burnham, an even more extreme Left version of Starmer. Banging on to your adoring fan base on Substack does NOT win by-elections. '94,000 readers' across 650 constituencies is 144 people per constituency, sod all. Getting a top quality Reform newspaper to 73,000 voters in Makerfield was the absolute priority. You couldn't run a bath or win the most winnable by-election of all time, you lot certainly couldn't run Britain. You still haven't even got a recognisable Shadow Cabinet. Dad's Army were better organised.

Tracy Hill's avatar

I partly agree. Not necessarily a newspaper but I can't help but feel that quoting shocking statistics at every turn is the way forward. Anyone can spin and sceptics will often be suspicious of claims unless they are backed up by hard facts. Even just a flier with 20 stats on there would suffice. I also wish Reform MPs standing up in the commons would quote more stats. I share your frustration but Reform is better than anyone else.

Steve's avatar

Reform MPs do quote stats in the HoC, but the BBC chooses not to broadcast them, although they are very good at altering speeches from Nigel Farage and Donald Trump.

Ken Norman's avatar

My God, it’s yet another of Mrs B’s newspaper rants!

Mrs Bucket's avatar

Who knows, on Friday maybe Reform seniors will look at the dismal results of their dismal Makerfield 'campaign' and instead of blaming Rupert Lowe/the weather/the BBC they'll actually look in the mirror - but I doubt it.

Maryanne's avatar

A very boring and repetitive commenter.

Mrs Bucket's avatar

Let's see how right or wrong I am tomorrow. I find it worse than boring to see Britain destroyed by Labour when the solutions - beating them in their 'safe' seats - is so blindingly simple.

Roger Gambba-Jones's avatar

Are you a frustrated right winger, unable to find a party extreme enough for your appetites? Or are you really a left wing globalist, or even worse, a ‘greeni’, stirring the pot to see who you can get a rise out of?

Colin Martin's avatar

It is really quite simple, and Matt sums it up perfectly with his term 'suicidal empathy', which is another term for the virtue-signalling of the wealthy. Basically, those in Britain who have grown up surrounded by the trappings of wealth and have gone to university, feel guilt over their easy lives and cast around for some way to assuage this guilt, which they do by proffering empathy with immigrants, which gives them a rosy glow inside, because it shows that they care. Unfortunately, they do not extend this empathy to poor British people, because it carries no kudos, so THEY are treated as thick morons.

John Davey's avatar

I suggest you read the latest version of the British Citizenship test questions. Such knowledge as 'where is the Grand Mosque in London' and 'where is the oldest Indian tea shop in London' is now required apparently.

Matthew Harper's avatar

Here's an idea Matt: make social housing an entirely local issue, supply and funding, including housing benefit paid to those in privately rented homes. It would end the takeover of towns, areas of towns as the pot to pay for housing would be really small, given the amount already claiming and those not working. All my family have worked hard, are homeowners, a few with scary mortgages, but not claiming a penny. In fact, I cannot think of a single family member, siblings, kids and grandkids, even cousins who is claiming anything that's not automatic like Child Allowance, all paying tax, none receiving any other benefit. Imagine a similar sized family in Bradford, parts of Manchester, Luton, most of London, the chances are the one not receiving benefit is the odd one out, a rarity, or they won the lottery. We need an overdose of common sense, an almighty boot up the arris and we need to get really tough, almost to the point of cruelty, after all, you have to be cruel to be kind.

Roger Gambba-Jones's avatar

That would really accelerate the creation of tribal ghettos. A large number of London councils and a large proportion of mets have been captured and occupied by a significant number of charlatan citizens. They’ve been elected for one purpose only, to promote the iterates of their own tribe. Proven, if proof were needed, by those councils who have foreign language prayers in meetings, or have debates and motions on issues in countries far removed from this country.