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Mrs Bucket's avatar

Dangerous? This proposal is pure evil.

Jon B's avatar

Absolutely sick of the way Islam is controlling Britain. Any politician that wants the support of the British people should make one point crystal clear: if Muslims want to live in an Islamic country, go somewhere else.

Lesley Snell's avatar

Agree with everything you say Matt. Terrifying the way our country is going. The Free Speech Union believe parts of the proposal are illegal and have mounted a Judicial Review . They are fund raising as these things are expensive. I have chipped in and would encourage anyone who can to do the same .

Tenaciously Terfin's avatar

I don’t know what to say any more about what is happening to this country. The path to islamification is so clear now. There are 1400 years of history for us to see those patterns happening. In my lifetime I’ve seen what has happened to Afghanistan, Iran, Lebanon. What else do people need to see before they wake up? Only today, I’ve seen an article where northern Labour councils are telling schools that some children’s art, music and dance may be offensive to Muslims. Labour……I can’t describe how much I despise them, it’d be censored.

Thanks Matt. The FreeSpeech Union is crowd funding to challenge this disgusting definition.

We need to find a way to wake people up….and soon.

Mrs Bucket's avatar

I've also chipped in to FSU but surely every Reform senior should be shouting about it from the rooftops? A PROPERLY run Reform petition on this could galvanise the country.

Tenaciously Terfin's avatar

Exactly. So many WHYs going round my head. FFS people wake up before it’s too late( not those on here of course).

Jean Davison's avatar

I'm sorry to say this Tenaciously but it may already be too late. The next General Election is so important but with the right being so split it doesn't bode well. The right needs to stop arguing and club together for the good of the country and forget their petty differences.

Tenaciously Terfin's avatar

Spot on Jean. It’s all so depressing.

What might wake people up is the banning of dogs that they keep talking about, for the ‘sake of diversity’. Let them try!

N White's avatar

Well actually, with 30 million of the things in the country (more dogs than migrants) and the disposal of all their waste and food packaging having to be paid for out of general taxation, I'd at least be in favour of the return of paid dog licences!

Peter D Gardner's avatar

Starmer's Gang will postpone the next general election expected in 2029 if he estimates he will lose. There is nothing in law as far as I know to force Starmer's Gang to face the electorate. Some people say there is but they have not, to my knowledge, produced a factually based argument.

N White's avatar

But is Reform really against this definition? Look at who they now have among their ranks. Who is pulling the political strings and the purse strings behind the scenes? Would a Reform government actually dare to reverse the islamification of our country?

Lesley Snell's avatar

Yes. I do believe they would

N White's avatar

You give me hope!

Penelope Beck's avatar

I think Rupert Lowe would stop all the rot. Reform seem to have gone a bit soft.

Foxtrot Oscar's avatar

I have chipped in the the FSU, it's very important to end this Islamic drift.

Louise's avatar

So what can be done about it? Nothing ever seems to happen with anything. Petitions are signed by thousands, protests are attended by thousands and nothing ever happens, things just seem to get depressingly worse and by the time the general election comes round the country will be gasping its last breath. Very depressing

The Martyr's avatar

Petitions are a waste of time other than creating an awareness. If you want to do something Louise join the Free Speech Union and contribute to their crowdfunding campaign to challenge this in the courts. I can’t see what else we can do.

Louise's avatar

Thank you for your suggestion, I've just joined the free speech union and will contribute to their crowd fund. Every bit of hope helps

The Martyr's avatar

Starmer won’t U-turn this one. He promised it to his fellow Fabian mate Sadiq Khan (along with a knighthood) and it’s Labour’s latest attempt to show the Muslim community how much they still love them (and their bloc vote) despite their defection to the Greens in Gorton & Denton. This is the promised Islamophobia Law promised by Angela Rayner.

Jem Jarvis's avatar

This is cynical move from 2TK to shore up the Muslim vote, putting party above country. More importantly, it is a very dangerous path to go down, the public will see the unfairness of two tier treatment for Muslims above everyone else's rights. It is basically legitimising sectarianism, as someone who's served in Ulster, I can tell you all, sectarianism will not end well for anyone, and is never something we want to see in this wonderful country. Ultimately I think it will be 2TK and his evil government who will pay the price for this evil two tier policy. I fear mass civil unrest will be the ultimate result. I fear for my country at the moment

Graham L's avatar

Spot on. Jacob Rees-Mogg has also just put up a short video on this on YouTube, completely fair and reasonable, and completely against this bogus concept of Islamophobia.

John Birch's avatar

It’s 1943 and the government has issued a warning to all citizens.

Anyone claiming that bombs falling on London are being dropped from German aircraft will be dealt with severely.

Germaniphobia will not be tolerated, the Germans are a peaceful people and we will never allow them to be insulted or threatened by right wing thugs.

And I would keep your mouth shut mrs Connelly.

Jane's avatar

Your World War 2 analogy is excellent. It puts this into a real context and shows how far we've fallen. I fear for the future.

Val Shield's avatar

The insidious infiltration of our country continues. 😢😢

N White's avatar

Yup, and in the NHS hospital where I work, even the paninis for toasting are now "halal" chicken. Presumably the CEO doesn't give a monkey's if the white British staff starve, because I for one am not touching them. Plus the hospital's EDI team now have a full calendar of religious and "awareness raising" days which has been circulated to staff. Easter and Christmas have been relegated to just two among all the rest and require explanation for the benefit of the huge number of staff from non-Christian countries.

Oriel Sceptic's avatar

All this is supremely ironic. The Government keeps accusing the Right in particular of sowing the seeds of division. What Matt describes above is the outcome of providing additional protections / rights to a minority over and above everyone else. No wonder people get pissed off when they are not treated equally of fairly.

In addition to this it puts another layer of difference between the Public & Private sectors as the explicit considerations re Muslims are enshrined in the Public Sector. The Arch10 data re this point:

https://www.arch10.co.uk

Already points to the divide between the two sectors and the developing chasm of what Public Servants (oxymoron) and the rest of us believe. This will only make it worse…

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Toot The Shoot's avatar

If it is considered 'stereotyping' to raise concerns about the role of Pakistani Muslim men in grooming gang scandals, does that not tell us all we need to know about the majority of Pakistani Muslim men and, that by definition, it should not be controversial to do so? Just as we know that knife crime is more of a problem in ethnic communities, especially black communities? These are, sadly, just facts of life. Trying to pretend that such issues do not exist cannot work.

Further, if, as seems to be the case, this new 'definition' is intended to protect such individuals, purely in the interest of self-preservation by Starmer and his motley crew, does that not tell us all we need to know about our current government?

The level of contempt they demonstrate in believing that we are all stupid is truly staggering.

David Asquith's avatar

Socialist bureaucracy rumbles ever onwards crushing the life out of anyone who opposes it. Pretty soon it won’t be possible for opinion pollsters to ask ‘are you opposed to Muslim immigration’?

Evola's Sunglasses's avatar

The City of London would reply : "yes, we must suck in labour from across the World and suppress pay and conditions".

David Asquith's avatar

That’s simplistic and you know it. Unless of course you mean that Labour is just a party of capitalist running dogs.

Evola's Sunglasses's avatar

Hi Dave I'm off to work. Good YouTube video is on the channel ACADEMIC AGENT called Capitalism causes Immigration and Feminism.

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Evola's Sunglasses's avatar

ALL governments across the West, America, France, Britain, Ireland ect are run on that economic model.

David Asquith's avatar

I’d be interested to know whether you oppose capitalism on the grounds that it encouraged inward migration to Britain.

Evola's Sunglasses's avatar

Not only has it sucked in cheap labour it has moved our manufacturing and industrial base to China

Evola's Sunglasses's avatar

If the nation state doesn't control international finance capitalism, then international finance capitalism will control the nation state.

The failure of the centre Right /Liberal Capitalism to use state power to control The Merchant Class ( which is focused on short term profit not on the long term intrests of our civilisation ) is why the Right hasn't conserved anything from 1945.

David Asquith's avatar

I quite understand the point you make but would you please answer my earlier question: do you oppose large scale immigration into Britain?

N White's avatar

One of the problems with that is that some of that labour appears to have a policy of doing as little work as possible (e.g. cleaning staff, security). So could even greedy corporates be short-changing themselves?

Nick Doran's avatar

It is a deliberately dangerous action, utterly absurd and frankly disgusting. "Anti-Muslim hostility"??? It isn't an actual thing, it doesn't exist, we just don't want to be killed by Islamist fanatics who are undeniably the biggest threat to Britain. In fact, the only hostility happening in Britain right now is Starmer's towards the indigenous, British white population. This has been plain as a Pikestaff for the last 19 months, from Lucy Connolly's ludicrous imprisonment to his latest cowardice to appease his perceived Muslim vote by turning his back on Trump and the US.

It is 26 years since the 7/7 terrorist attacks on London, in the aftermath of those horrific bombings, can you imagine finding out in the near future that a British government was effectively bringing in a law to ban a criticism of Muslims?

Nick Doran's avatar

Obviously, it isn't 26 but just 21 years ago.

Magnus's avatar

Incredible! ALL other religious beliefs can be criticized, but not muslims/Islam...!! They can threaten us all, who are not muslims, that they will kill us if we do not surrender, and that is fine..!! UK is really becoming a very strange place.

Max Lite's avatar

Criticism of religious bigotry is a fundamental right in a modern society. Attempts to erode that right are because the same religious bigots with their medieval, obscurantist views on women and society are using to their advantage excessively woolly and misdirected ideas about so called diversity.

Nigel Liggett's avatar

By introducing this concept the Government is actually increasing covert and overt hostility to muslims. The law of unintended consequences.