You mention State incompetence but I don’t believe it. It is a deliberate policy. I wonder how an ordinary copper feels. They must be embarrassed to enforce this. Surely there will come a time when even they resist.
Haven’t heard a word on this from Burnham. Nor from the Tory conference. There will also come a time to choose a side. Soon. I’ve chosen mine.
Yes it’s time to stop calling the state incompetent. Our state is battling on with its long established agenda for the transformation of a nation-state into a multiethnic territory subject to rule by supra-national bureaucratic technocracy. Brotherhood of man globalisation. It’s a mess - but our local state still has the whip hand over those of us who resent the loss of a homeland we can all our own. They know exactly what they are doing.
Yes, the way their ‘justice’ is meted out, like 2 years for swearing and a plastic bottle, while bail granted for a potential airfield attack suggests they know exactly what they are doing. A plan.
I agree with you - it is clearly deliberate. They probably assume these people will eventually become Labour voters when actually they will turn us into a Sharia state.
Are there any "ordinary" coppers left? A few years back now there was a spate of resignations from the police. I suspect that was all the good police officers leaving because they couldn't stomach working for traitors. There was an ex-police officer interviewed on Triggernometry who quit during TRAINING because the training was essentially woke brainwashing. I'm guessing if the brain washing doesn't work, the trainees are declared Nazis and kicked out. If you then factor in how much of the recruitment advertising pushes DEI hiring, I wouldn't hold out much hope there are any "ordinary coppers" today.
Where will you go? I have thought about this for a while. Hungary seemed a good choice, but then Viktor Orban was voted out, replaced by an EU lover. Poland and the Czech Republic are also contenders, but again, under the thumb of the EU with all that that implies.
I ended up looking at Israel. I cannot see any other democracy that looks after its people in the same way.
That is the issue - where to go - after speaking to Donald Trump I’m thinking Devon and Cornwall, vote for those counties to leave the uk and then build a big wall.
At some point, people are goign to give up on the legitimate, peaceful protest and resort to some serious, armed violence and this will get very ugly indeed. Much as I dislike the idea, I would welcome such a development although revolutions rarely end well. Look no further than France and Russia.
The best I can hope for is that police officers decline to volunteer for riot training in sufficient numbers that they would be unable to resist a determined group who would push the illegals back onto their boats, violently if necessary.
We would need just once successful group to show the way and the country would erupt. I fervently hope that it does not come to this, but suspect that it will. The safety valve is whistling loudly and screwing it down tighter is not the solution.
Danny Tommo missed an opportunity. Rather than slashing an empty dinghy and the state responding in it's usual manner by banging him up thus reinforcing in people's minds that they can't do anything to stop the invasion. He could have organised a small amarda of fishing boats which are in plentiful supply around the south coast. Intercepted a dinghy and fouled the propeller thus forcing the frogs to take the invaders back to France. The propaganda value would be immense to the British people.
There is more than a little irony in the police saying their presence is to help process illegal migrants. I genuinely thought the police were supposed to be non-political and to enforce actions against illegal activities.
None of this chat matters unless the right win the next GE and not a Frankenstein hard left monster alliance. At some moment the Tories will have to speak to Reform and they both need to speak to Restore. The stakes are that high.
I agree about how high the stakes are, but you have a lot more confidence than I do in what the Tories really want. Badenoch said a Reform govt would be as bad as Labour, or worse! It's the Tory voters who need to realise the Tories are not going to give them what they want so they have to change to Reform. 👍
I think the coming heavy censorship of social media (in March?) will have a big impact in dampening dissent. It will be difficult to see what opposition is going on at that point.
Tell me why … the state wants this level of immigration? Tell me why … you will not withdraw from EU laws that have taken away our right to reject illegal immigrants
One openly stated theory is mass immigration is the solution to the problem of declining birth rates of British people. But this doesn't really explain why they seem so keen to attract immigrants who are culturally incompatible, have no wish to integrate, and anyway the state's treatment of immigrants pretty much guarantees they won't integrate.
Which leads to "crazy conspiracy theories" like the establishment believe the best way to run the world is that it should be controlled by an authoritarian global regime (made up of themselves, obviously!). Destroying nations by changing the population of a country from being "one people" with a sense of national identity and loyalty to a mass of warring factions who don't care if they're governed from Westminster or Davos, is one step on the road to a world without countries/borders.
"The problem with reasonable people is they don't understand unreasonable ideas are being very seriously pursued by unreasonable people." 👍
We have a government who wants us to sign up to sending our young people to die in a war of their choosing ( in a foreign land against Russia) but simultaneously wants to oppress and suppress anybody who responds to one of the most basic tenets of human nature ( and indeed of animals) to defend their territory and their family against a clear and present danger. Not “reds under the bed” an actual invasion that has been happening for years, and the same number as the personnel of our army has already entered this country under this Labour government .
We are supposed to stand back waving the white flag while the invaders are ushered in . It’s emasculating our men and enraging our women .
It’s not a coincidence that the film The Uprising which I watched at the weekend has been made at this point the parallels to the peasants revolt even though it happened in the 14th century are unmissable . Our Wat Tyler , Danny Tommo is languishing in prison while suspected Iranian terrorists are out on bail. There is a mounting sense of injustice, unfairness and ordinary people falling increasingly under the jackboot . Where will it end ?
We have to remember that the elected members of other parties and that includes Reform and Restore have to be very wary of falling foul of the legislation that is now in place. I’m sure they would all love to use their various party conferences to offer rousing criticisms of the latest outrageous misuse of state resources to usher in more illegal migrants. However, that would merely offer their opponents in government an opening to attack them as racists and enemies of the state attempting to cause unrest and violence on the streets of our cities.
The opposition members need to bide their time and use the privilege afforded to them by the chamber of the Commons to put their question to the Home Secretary. There they can ask why such draconian measures are being used against law abiding citizens in one instance, yet other protest groups are being free rein to roam the streets of our capital unchecked. Two tier policing in action yet again.
This government and its shock troops are keen to get as many pro Labour voters into the country as possible before Burnham calls the election.
The problem is it all takes too much time and in the end nothing changes but just continues along the same track because this wicked govt refuses to concede. That then takes us all further down the rabbit hole. Oh for it to be just an Alice in Wonderland dream or rather bad dream.
A Prime Minister or cabinet members cannot be criminally prosecuted under existing democratic laws simply for introducing highly unpopular, radical, or non-mandated structural policies.
In established democracies like the United Kingdom, political decisions—even those perceived by critics as undermining personal liberties, creating "totalitarian" control, or introducing intrusive measures like digital IDs—are legally treated as matters of policy and political ideology, not criminal conduct.
The legal mechanisms governing this situation involve several distinct constitutional principles:
1. Parliamentary Sovereignty and Legal Absolutism
In the UK, the core constitutional principle is Parliamentary Sovereignty.
• Parliament can make or unmake any law: If a government commands a majority in the House of Commons, it can legally pass legislation that fundamentally changes property rights, surveillance, or identification systems.
• The Courts cannot strike down Acts of Parliament: Unlike countries with a codified, supreme constitution (like the United States), UK judges cannot declare an Act of Parliament invalid or unconstitutional. If a government passes a law that removes private ownership or mandates digital tracking, that law becomes the legal standard of the land, making the enforcement of it entirely legal.
2. Criminal Prosecution vs. Political Disagreement
For a Prime Minister or cabinet minister to face criminal prosecution, they must commit a specific, recognized crime (such as fraud, bribery, or violence).
• Misconduct in Public Office: There is an ancient common-law offence of Misconduct in Public Office (which is increasingly codified under newer legislation like the Public Office Accountability Bill). However, this offence requires proving that an official acted in severe bad faith, corruptly for personal gain, or wilfully neglected a specific legal duty. Implementing an ideological agenda or changing the socioeconomic order is considered a political choice, not criminal misconduct.
• Treason: Historically, subverting the constitution could be viewed as treason, but modern legal frameworks have narrowed the definition of treason to acts of war, terrorism, or aiding violent foreign adversaries against the Crown. Ideological alignment with global organisations (such as the UN or the World Economic Forum) does not legally constitute treason.
3. The Role of Mandates and "Acceptance by the People"
While breaking manifesto promises or governing without a clear public mandate violates democratic norms, it does not violate criminal law.
• Governments regularly change policies mid-term or respond to crises with un-manifested executive powers.The legal definition of democracy in a representative system relies on the process (holding regular elections), not the substance of the policies enacted between those elections.
How Such Actions Are Actually Countered
If a government attempts to dismantle individual liberties or democracy itself, the legal system relies on political and constitutional checks rather than criminal prosecutions:
• Judicial Review: Civil rights groups can take the government to the High Court via Judicial Review. If ministers try to bypass Parliament or abuse secondary legislation, courts can rule their actions unlawful and quash the specific regulations.
• The Human Rights Act: Legislation that encroaches heavily on privacy (such as certain forms of digital ID) or eliminates private property can be challenged under the Human Rights Act or international treaties. Courts can issue a "declaration of incompatibility," forcing Parliament to reconsider.
• Democratic Removal: Ultimately, the primary constitutional remedy for a government enacting radical, unwanted overhauls is for the electorate to vote them out at the next General Election, or for Parliament to collapse the government via a Vote of No Confidence.
It seems to me in the light of this, that as soon as a party is in power, at the stroke of a pen all liberties can be removed and they don't have to answer to anyone for whatever decisions they take. So essentially we are living in a communist state.
What about invokes the Human Rights of the majority population and having the govt on Misconduct in Public Office since they are taking away our democratic rights and treating different groups differently therefore not abiding by the principal of equality.
In the UK, elected officials, civil servants, and ministers can be prosecuted under the common law offence of Misconduct in Public Office.
• This offence addresses serious, wilful abuse or neglect of the powers or responsibilities of a public office to such a degree that it amounts to an abuse of the public's trust. It carries a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. Cases are investigated by the police and prosecuted by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
2. Violations of Constitutional Law & Civil Liberties
A government cannot unilaterally strip away fundamental rights, as the UK operates under parliamentary sovereignty and constitutional principles that protect individual liberties, such as the right to a fair trial, freedom from arbitrary detention, and the peaceful enjoyment of possessions under the Human Rights Act.
I doubt if any MPs or their staff considered the size of the area over which such an order could be made when the legislation was approved. No doubt the Minister who introduced it referred to small areas around Parliament or adjacent to military basis, not an entire town and its port area.
In passing, I noticed a reference to UK boats going to "intercept" an illegal immigrant boat in the Channel. The use of the word "intercept" is misleading because it implies stopping or apprehending. The truth is it is like me meeting a friend in the high street to buy him a pint; I would not say I "intercepted" him but the situation is similar.
Illegals collected and escorted to port by UK boats are helping illegal acts and we will pay for them until Reform throw them out.
You make a very valid point EB when you quite correctly query the use of the reference to the phrase" intercepting these dinghies".The truth is that these boatloads of invading illegal people who have found complete safety in France are escorted by French ships to British waters and are then illegally picked up by arrangement by our lifeboats or Coastguard cutters and delivered to a British port.
One of these immigrants was recently convicted of steering one of these dinghies across the channel and if he was guilty then surely all those including the sanctioning politicians,Lifeboat authorities and Border force officials should also be in Court.
You mention State incompetence but I don’t believe it. It is a deliberate policy. I wonder how an ordinary copper feels. They must be embarrassed to enforce this. Surely there will come a time when even they resist.
Haven’t heard a word on this from Burnham. Nor from the Tory conference. There will also come a time to choose a side. Soon. I’ve chosen mine.
Yes it’s time to stop calling the state incompetent. Our state is battling on with its long established agenda for the transformation of a nation-state into a multiethnic territory subject to rule by supra-national bureaucratic technocracy. Brotherhood of man globalisation. It’s a mess - but our local state still has the whip hand over those of us who resent the loss of a homeland we can all our own. They know exactly what they are doing.
Yes, the way their ‘justice’ is meted out, like 2 years for swearing and a plastic bottle, while bail granted for a potential airfield attack suggests they know exactly what they are doing. A plan.
I agree with you - it is clearly deliberate. They probably assume these people will eventually become Labour voters when actually they will turn us into a Sharia state.
Are there any "ordinary" coppers left? A few years back now there was a spate of resignations from the police. I suspect that was all the good police officers leaving because they couldn't stomach working for traitors. There was an ex-police officer interviewed on Triggernometry who quit during TRAINING because the training was essentially woke brainwashing. I'm guessing if the brain washing doesn't work, the trainees are declared Nazis and kicked out. If you then factor in how much of the recruitment advertising pushes DEI hiring, I wouldn't hold out much hope there are any "ordinary coppers" today.
Yeah. They were already ‘taking the knee’ 6 years ago.
And the fact they were doing an ethnic recruitment drive a while back
Of course it is Government policy, uniform across the Uni party. Traitors the lot of them.
‘Pushed to the limit’ ‘Near Breaking Point’ ‘had enough’ - these phrases were appropriate about 5 years ago.
We are way way way past that now.
I simply cannot take any more - I am looking to leave: the only place I know as home.
Where will you go? I have thought about this for a while. Hungary seemed a good choice, but then Viktor Orban was voted out, replaced by an EU lover. Poland and the Czech Republic are also contenders, but again, under the thumb of the EU with all that that implies.
I ended up looking at Israel. I cannot see any other democracy that looks after its people in the same way.
That is the issue - where to go - after speaking to Donald Trump I’m thinking Devon and Cornwall, vote for those counties to leave the uk and then build a big wall.
Italy! Especially if you’re a pensioner.
No, the Italians are far too chaotic and dishonest and still under the yoke of the EU and the hideous euro, no matter how hard Georgia tries.
"If reasonable people do not meet the reasonable concerns of reasonable people, then unreasonable people will meet them unreasonably." Lord Hailsham
At some point, people are goign to give up on the legitimate, peaceful protest and resort to some serious, armed violence and this will get very ugly indeed. Much as I dislike the idea, I would welcome such a development although revolutions rarely end well. Look no further than France and Russia.
The best I can hope for is that police officers decline to volunteer for riot training in sufficient numbers that they would be unable to resist a determined group who would push the illegals back onto their boats, violently if necessary.
We would need just once successful group to show the way and the country would erupt. I fervently hope that it does not come to this, but suspect that it will. The safety valve is whistling loudly and screwing it down tighter is not the solution.
Agreed, something more heavy handed is going to happen, sooner rather than later I'd say.
Watch how the Stasi react then😡
Danny Tommo missed an opportunity. Rather than slashing an empty dinghy and the state responding in it's usual manner by banging him up thus reinforcing in people's minds that they can't do anything to stop the invasion. He could have organised a small amarda of fishing boats which are in plentiful supply around the south coast. Intercepted a dinghy and fouled the propeller thus forcing the frogs to take the invaders back to France. The propaganda value would be immense to the British people.
David Betz probably has a pertinent view on the current situation and I'm sure from his analysis it won't be peaceful.
There is more than a little irony in the police saying their presence is to help process illegal migrants. I genuinely thought the police were supposed to be non-political and to enforce actions against illegal activities.
I wouldn't think it's the police processing the illegals. It will be Border Force with the police on standby.
100% Matt - and as I keep saying we are now living ´Animal Farm’. Where is it going to end? I dread the fall out.
Sorry to sound a note of pessimism: ‘this is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper’
None of this chat matters unless the right win the next GE and not a Frankenstein hard left monster alliance. At some moment the Tories will have to speak to Reform and they both need to speak to Restore. The stakes are that high.
I agree about how high the stakes are, but you have a lot more confidence than I do in what the Tories really want. Badenoch said a Reform govt would be as bad as Labour, or worse! It's the Tory voters who need to realise the Tories are not going to give them what they want so they have to change to Reform. 👍
I think the coming heavy censorship of social media (in March?) will have a big impact in dampening dissent. It will be difficult to see what opposition is going on at that point.
Tell me why … the state wants this level of immigration? Tell me why … you will not withdraw from EU laws that have taken away our right to reject illegal immigrants
There are do many questions but never an answer.
One openly stated theory is mass immigration is the solution to the problem of declining birth rates of British people. But this doesn't really explain why they seem so keen to attract immigrants who are culturally incompatible, have no wish to integrate, and anyway the state's treatment of immigrants pretty much guarantees they won't integrate.
Which leads to "crazy conspiracy theories" like the establishment believe the best way to run the world is that it should be controlled by an authoritarian global regime (made up of themselves, obviously!). Destroying nations by changing the population of a country from being "one people" with a sense of national identity and loyalty to a mass of warring factions who don't care if they're governed from Westminster or Davos, is one step on the road to a world without countries/borders.
"The problem with reasonable people is they don't understand unreasonable ideas are being very seriously pursued by unreasonable people." 👍
We have a government who wants us to sign up to sending our young people to die in a war of their choosing ( in a foreign land against Russia) but simultaneously wants to oppress and suppress anybody who responds to one of the most basic tenets of human nature ( and indeed of animals) to defend their territory and their family against a clear and present danger. Not “reds under the bed” an actual invasion that has been happening for years, and the same number as the personnel of our army has already entered this country under this Labour government .
We are supposed to stand back waving the white flag while the invaders are ushered in . It’s emasculating our men and enraging our women .
It’s not a coincidence that the film The Uprising which I watched at the weekend has been made at this point the parallels to the peasants revolt even though it happened in the 14th century are unmissable . Our Wat Tyler , Danny Tommo is languishing in prison while suspected Iranian terrorists are out on bail. There is a mounting sense of injustice, unfairness and ordinary people falling increasingly under the jackboot . Where will it end ?
This is now the most disgraceful display in British history. Literally all of it since human beings first set foot on this piece of land.
This 'Government' is now worse than any enemy we have ever fought in the past. What a tragic state of affairs it all is.
We have to remember that the elected members of other parties and that includes Reform and Restore have to be very wary of falling foul of the legislation that is now in place. I’m sure they would all love to use their various party conferences to offer rousing criticisms of the latest outrageous misuse of state resources to usher in more illegal migrants. However, that would merely offer their opponents in government an opening to attack them as racists and enemies of the state attempting to cause unrest and violence on the streets of our cities.
The opposition members need to bide their time and use the privilege afforded to them by the chamber of the Commons to put their question to the Home Secretary. There they can ask why such draconian measures are being used against law abiding citizens in one instance, yet other protest groups are being free rein to roam the streets of our capital unchecked. Two tier policing in action yet again.
This government and its shock troops are keen to get as many pro Labour voters into the country as possible before Burnham calls the election.
The problem is it all takes too much time and in the end nothing changes but just continues along the same track because this wicked govt refuses to concede. That then takes us all further down the rabbit hole. Oh for it to be just an Alice in Wonderland dream or rather bad dream.
A Prime Minister or cabinet members cannot be criminally prosecuted under existing democratic laws simply for introducing highly unpopular, radical, or non-mandated structural policies.
In established democracies like the United Kingdom, political decisions—even those perceived by critics as undermining personal liberties, creating "totalitarian" control, or introducing intrusive measures like digital IDs—are legally treated as matters of policy and political ideology, not criminal conduct.
The legal mechanisms governing this situation involve several distinct constitutional principles:
1. Parliamentary Sovereignty and Legal Absolutism
In the UK, the core constitutional principle is Parliamentary Sovereignty.
• Parliament can make or unmake any law: If a government commands a majority in the House of Commons, it can legally pass legislation that fundamentally changes property rights, surveillance, or identification systems.
• The Courts cannot strike down Acts of Parliament: Unlike countries with a codified, supreme constitution (like the United States), UK judges cannot declare an Act of Parliament invalid or unconstitutional. If a government passes a law that removes private ownership or mandates digital tracking, that law becomes the legal standard of the land, making the enforcement of it entirely legal.
2. Criminal Prosecution vs. Political Disagreement
For a Prime Minister or cabinet minister to face criminal prosecution, they must commit a specific, recognized crime (such as fraud, bribery, or violence).
• Misconduct in Public Office: There is an ancient common-law offence of Misconduct in Public Office (which is increasingly codified under newer legislation like the Public Office Accountability Bill). However, this offence requires proving that an official acted in severe bad faith, corruptly for personal gain, or wilfully neglected a specific legal duty. Implementing an ideological agenda or changing the socioeconomic order is considered a political choice, not criminal misconduct.
• Treason: Historically, subverting the constitution could be viewed as treason, but modern legal frameworks have narrowed the definition of treason to acts of war, terrorism, or aiding violent foreign adversaries against the Crown. Ideological alignment with global organisations (such as the UN or the World Economic Forum) does not legally constitute treason.
3. The Role of Mandates and "Acceptance by the People"
While breaking manifesto promises or governing without a clear public mandate violates democratic norms, it does not violate criminal law.
• Governments regularly change policies mid-term or respond to crises with un-manifested executive powers.The legal definition of democracy in a representative system relies on the process (holding regular elections), not the substance of the policies enacted between those elections.
How Such Actions Are Actually Countered
If a government attempts to dismantle individual liberties or democracy itself, the legal system relies on political and constitutional checks rather than criminal prosecutions:
• Judicial Review: Civil rights groups can take the government to the High Court via Judicial Review. If ministers try to bypass Parliament or abuse secondary legislation, courts can rule their actions unlawful and quash the specific regulations.
• The Human Rights Act: Legislation that encroaches heavily on privacy (such as certain forms of digital ID) or eliminates private property can be challenged under the Human Rights Act or international treaties. Courts can issue a "declaration of incompatibility," forcing Parliament to reconsider.
• Democratic Removal: Ultimately, the primary constitutional remedy for a government enacting radical, unwanted overhauls is for the electorate to vote them out at the next General Election, or for Parliament to collapse the government via a Vote of No Confidence.
It seems to me in the light of this, that as soon as a party is in power, at the stroke of a pen all liberties can be removed and they don't have to answer to anyone for whatever decisions they take. So essentially we are living in a communist state.
Or a Totalitarian state powered by globalists. Anarcho-Tyranny remains the pertinent descriptor at present.
What about invokes the Human Rights of the majority population and having the govt on Misconduct in Public Office since they are taking away our democratic rights and treating different groups differently therefore not abiding by the principal of equality.
1. Misconduct in Public Office
In the UK, elected officials, civil servants, and ministers can be prosecuted under the common law offence of Misconduct in Public Office.
• This offence addresses serious, wilful abuse or neglect of the powers or responsibilities of a public office to such a degree that it amounts to an abuse of the public's trust. It carries a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. Cases are investigated by the police and prosecuted by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
2. Violations of Constitutional Law & Civil Liberties
A government cannot unilaterally strip away fundamental rights, as the UK operates under parliamentary sovereignty and constitutional principles that protect individual liberties, such as the right to a fair trial, freedom from arbitrary detention, and the peaceful enjoyment of possessions under the Human Rights Act.
Utterly intolerable what is happening. The country should be out on strike demanding a GE People are apathetic until the trouble is on their doorstep
I doubt if any MPs or their staff considered the size of the area over which such an order could be made when the legislation was approved. No doubt the Minister who introduced it referred to small areas around Parliament or adjacent to military basis, not an entire town and its port area.
In passing, I noticed a reference to UK boats going to "intercept" an illegal immigrant boat in the Channel. The use of the word "intercept" is misleading because it implies stopping or apprehending. The truth is it is like me meeting a friend in the high street to buy him a pint; I would not say I "intercepted" him but the situation is similar.
Illegals collected and escorted to port by UK boats are helping illegal acts and we will pay for them until Reform throw them out.
You make a very valid point EB when you quite correctly query the use of the reference to the phrase" intercepting these dinghies".The truth is that these boatloads of invading illegal people who have found complete safety in France are escorted by French ships to British waters and are then illegally picked up by arrangement by our lifeboats or Coastguard cutters and delivered to a British port.
One of these immigrants was recently convicted of steering one of these dinghies across the channel and if he was guilty then surely all those including the sanctioning politicians,Lifeboat authorities and Border force officials should also be in Court.
The people smugglers are our own government/establishment and have been for many years.
But of course, that was a conspiracy theory.
It’s funny though, so many conspiracy theories have come true the name conspiracy theorist doesn’t seem to be thrown around like it used to be.